SAA
New Members - Welcome Aboard
Welcome Aboard - March
The following new members have signed on with the SAA in
March;
Nigel Dunchue - ex WOMTP5SM, partner Marian, Gympie Qld.
Served on HMAS Otama, HMAS Otway and HMAS Onslow
Michael Bowden - ex CMDRENWESM, partner Julie, West
Pennant Hills NSW. Served in HMAS Onslow and HMAS Otama
Stuart Mannering - ex WTRSM (RN), partner Fran, Paralowie
SA. served on HMS Tireless and HMS Trafalgar
Andrew Neilson - Social Member. Ex LSBA(H) attended
to RN 4th SM Squadron 1958-62 and trained in underwater
medicine. Also served in CMF and RAAF. Former state
secretary of the Naval Association Association , Tasmania.
LEUT Kevan Broad RAN - Honolulu, Hawaii. Served on HMS Warspite, HMS Sovereign, HMS Slpendid, HMAS Otama, HMAS Oxley,
HMAS Dechaineux and HMAS Farncomb. Currently on exchange posting
with USN.
CDRE
Stephen Paul Davies RAN, partner Josiane, Fremantle WA.
Served on HMAS Ovens, HMAS Otama, HMAS Otway, HMAS Onslow, HMAS
Collins and HMAS Dechaineux. Current Commander Australian
Navy Submarine Group (CANSG)
CMDR Dave Strangward AM, RAN - partner Robyn, Farrer ACT
2607. Served on HMAS Otway, HMAS Ovens, HMAS Otama, HMAS
Onslow, HMAS Waller, HMAS Dechaineux and HMAS Farncomb.
LCDR Larry Paul Varnadore USN - partner Sherri, Fremantle
WA 6160. Served on USS Maine, USS Oklahoma and USS
Tennessee. On exchange posting with the Australian
Submarine Group.
Robert Edward Lea -ex LSROSM, Chermside South Qld 4032.
Served on HMS Artemis, HMS Sealion, HMAS Otway, HMAS Ovens and
HMAS Oxley.
Why don't you sign on NOW! Deep down you know it makes
sense.
Join the SAA. Remember, the more Members the more the policy
makers in Canberra listen, there is strength in numbers. Details
on SAA Membership are provided on the
Application Form.
Birthdays
The
following old tarts survived another year and have had, or are having, a
Birthday.
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Pisces
Feb 20th -Mar 19th
You have a weird sense of imagination and often think
you are being followed by aliens. You have a minor
influence on your friends and people resent you for
flaunting this imaginary power. You lack
confidence and smell funny.
Aries
Mar 20th - April 18th You are
practical and persistent, two qualities that make you a
pain in the arse! You have a dogged determination
to finish what you start, it is a pity that you never
get it right the first time. Some people think
that you are stubborn and pig-headed, but most just
think you are an arsehole.
Why isn't
my Birthday here? I hear this often, the answer is
simple, I either don't like you or I rely on Plaxo to
help me manage the almost 1300 people in Up Periscope's
mailing list and you are not using it. So if you
want to be listed, fill in your details on Plaxo next
time I send an update request. |
March
1st: Royal Australian Navy & Eric Fleming
2nd: Ron Bucci
3rd: Graham Blackman & Clem Marsters
4th: Richard Gellie & Kim Pitt
5th: Graham Atkinson
6th: Brett Campany, Mike Southward & Gary Payseno
7th: Tony Wise & Eoin Asker
9th: Barry Nobes, Neal Garnett & Bill Wyatt
10th: David Nicholls & Craig Cope
11th: Peter Clarke, Wayne Gilligan & James Aitken
12th: Dave Perry
13th: Mick Carew, Keith Amos, Andy Keay & Gilbert Wilson
14th: John Fisher & Max Bryant
15th: Wayne Lloyd
16th: Paul Gregg & Alan Brain
17th: Gary 'Scouse' Bromley
19th: John O'Brien & Brendan McHarg
21st: Warren Gardner & Steve Humphries
25th: Douglas Craig, Brian Mathews, Paul McCallum & Peter Carter
26th: Trevor Hillier, Ricky Roberts, Wally Whitfield & Thor Lund
27th: Sid Czabotar, Peter Price & Chris Lewis
28th: William Mitchell
29th: Bill O'Reilly
30th: Strech Vierveyzer, Michael Turnbull & Tony 'Fruitbat'
Smith
31st: John Mills, Derrick Roper & Ian Prodger
Birthday Calculator.
After you've finished reading the info, click again, and
see what the moon looked like the night you were born.

Sick Bay There are many of our mates
that have been, or are, suffering from a range of medical problems and I
know that the thoughts of the submarine community go out to them and
their families during these trying times.
Pat Cullum has heart and suspected bone marrow
problems. Eric Armstrong has cancer and DVT. Bob Hibberd has
moved to the UK, suffering with a brain tumor. Jim Redwood has
been very ill from the effects of a subdural hematoma. Terry
Lewis is in permanent care for dementia in Busselton. Bob Bobilak
has been diagnosed with Asbestosis. For any of his mates that are
passing through or would like to send a card here is the address:
Urana Hotel, Main Street Urana NSW 2645. Roger Hardwicke
has just returned to his bunk after surgery, had spinal fusion and
laminectomy performed.
Malcolm 'Jock' Campbell with Dementia and Alzheimers - jock is in a
UK nursing home. Terry Wyatt
recovering from an operation to remove a Synovial Cyst. Claude (Rob) Roberts has been diagnosed with prostrate and bone cancer.
Kevin Hayton reported that, on the eve of Mike ‘Jelly’
Barnes and his wife Pauline taking off for the obligatory around
Australia jolly, he has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and will go
under the knife in the Port Macquarie Private Hospital on Monday 6th
April. Well wishers can contact Jelly on 0418666330.

Sunday, 29th March 2009
I am even more pissed than last
week.............. my computer will not boot the operating
system and I had to take it back to the shop (again0 yesterday.
All the work that i had done for this week's log is sitting
there and i have had to pull this together on my laptop, I must
update it as i am relying on it more every day..
My request dits for the Log had some effect, I
received about 60 copies of the Hartford incident and hundreds
of jokes.............
The weather continues to be erratic here, warm, sunny,
windy and wet, all in one day. It has been OK though, i am
managing to get a few odd jobs done. I bought some week old
chickens to join the other two. the pup loves them and sits and
watches them for hours and when i give him a close up he licks them like
paddle pops. A lot of love with my animals.
I am away for a few days next week and as family are
coming up from Sydney for Easter I have a few things I want to finish,
painting and the new carpets. I think I'll get them done in time.
SUBCON fever is starting to set in, I am getting heaps
of email and like I, they are all looking forward to it. I am
driving across from Adelaide in a campervan with my big brother and
Boof, a chance to get to know him I suppose. The van's are pretty small,
I hope he doesn't fart in his sleep!
See you next week.
SAA NEWS
The AGM of the Association is approaching and as
you can see it is time for nominations for the National
Executive. I am a strong believer in limited tenure,
sometimes a new team can invigorate an organisation and breathe
new life into it. I have been asked to accept the
nomination for secretary, but at this time I am not sure if I am
interested. I think that the time spent with Association
matters may be of greater benefit to some local charitable
organisations.
I ask all of you to consider nominating for national
office, if you don't get your nomination in on time and there are no
other nominations, nominations from the floor can be accepted at the
AGM. There are many of you out here with a lot to offer, please
consider your options.
The word on the grapevine of an
announcement on future manning solutions
for the Collins Class are getting louder and if correct is a positive (but short
term) move to man (woman) the boats. Watch this space for further developments.
This month's issue of in depth is sitting on my
computer ready for promulgation, expect it to hit the airwaves on
Wednesday or Thursday when my PC comes home.

Acting National Secretary
NOTICE OF AGM
Members are
advised that the Annual General Meeting of the Submarine
Association Australia will be held in Fremantle on Sunday 7th
June 2008 at 1000.
Notices of
Motion and Nomination of Office Bearers are to be with the
National
Secretary by 1st April 2009.

SAA Branch Events March-April
| Date & Time |
State |
Event |
Remarks |
| 19th April 2009 |
QLD |
General meeting |
General Meeting at the Coorparoo RSL.
Contact
Rob Woolrych 5442 1991 for
more information. |
| 19th April 2009 |
VIC |
General meeting |
Social meeting, ESU, South Yarra. Committee meet 11am to
finalise Anzac Day arrangements. Contact
John (Boot) Hatfield 0408
051 085 for more information. |
| 25th April 2009 |
ALL |
ANZAC Day 2009 |
Visit the
Events
page for a full list of muster points and post March venues. |
THE
'EVEREST CHALLENGE'
As previously reported the lack of support for the Challenge has been a
big surprise, but thanks to those that have given their support.
Team leader Carol Wilson reports
"Hi Norm So far we have walked 324,576 steps and raised $680.00. We are
just below Camp 1. Where have you been entering your steps? Have you
been having more computer problems? The sponsors are few and far
between. I can't even get my huge family activated even though we have 3
60something nana's and two cousins doing the climb!!!"
Yes Carol, two reasons for not entering the number of steps that I have
taken, computer dead and so is my little machine for counting steps
taken, I stood on it!!! It's not too late to sponsor us.........
You may like to sponsor either the whole team or specific individuals by
logging onto
the link or send a cheque or money order to me at Box
63 Bauple, 4650. Official receipts will be issued and it is
tax deductible.

AROUND THE TRAPS
G'Day Norm, I finally have put finger to keyboard
after getting back from the overseas jolly at the end of January. Yeah,
I know, pretty slack but I managed to squeeze in a garden reno and a big
hernia operation in between then and now. Wish I had the operation
before I moved all the rocks for garden beds, then I could have just sat
back and supervised.
It was a brilliant trip though. A week in New York for Thanksgiving and
turning on of the Christmas lights followed by a two week drive in our
hire car from New York to Key West, Florida via some great places
including 5 Jimmy Buffett Margaritaville venues, a Parrothead's Heaven!!
Then we spent a month in the Bahamas visiting all of Heather's old
friends and haunts as she had previously lived there for eight years.
Some of it was spent staying on our friend's boat in Freeport, Grand
Bahama, and also 10 days staying at some other friend's beach house in
Hopetown, Abaco. What a beach house!! 6 bedrooms, giant balcony
overlooking it's own private beach, it's own wharf and waterside tiki
hut, and it's private seaplane ramp for Ralph the owner's amphibious
plane. How the other half live eh? If anyone is interested, Ralph has it
on the market for US$4.5 million but may take an offer. It was a bugger
that I left my cheque book at home.
We also managed a 5 day side trip to Havana, Cuba as I have always
wanted to go there. What a lovely place, great food and rum and the
friendliest people you could ever want to meet. It is definitely worth
the trip if anyone is thinking about it.
A week's stop with Heather's sister in Phoenix, Arizona on the way back
was really cool and then a few days in Redondo Beach, California with my
mates from Latitudes and Attitudes Cruiser's magazine topped off the
trip.
The attached photos show Heather and I with Jimmy Buffett's seaplane
"Hemisphere Dancer" in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina; Our floating home
in Freeport, Grand Bahama; the trading hours of the local bank in
Hopetown, Abaco; and our friend's beach house in Abaco.
Good to be home again though, just in time to fix a hernia and dodge
Cyclone Hamish. Gotta love living in the tropics!!
Keep up that Everest walk Norm, remember that Possum is behind you and
that should be incentive to walk a lot faster!! Come on Possum, you can
scare the Chief Stoker into waddling faster and faster.
Cheers from the Hammock, Phil Solomon
ACT Branch President Andy 'Blue' Galley reports
"I’d just like to let members know of our pride and admiration for
Michael Clement “George” Washington who has just been awarded a
“Bachelor of Education” by Canberra University. On behalf of your fellow
ACT Branch members George, we would like to congratulate you on your
achievement. We know that it has taken a huge effort and a long slog to
be awarded this honour and a testimony to your hard work that you have
finally made it. George and his wife Chris are up in the Torres
Straight Island working as teachers on Dauan Island one of a cluster of
islands that are just southwest of New Guinea. He and Chris have a small
group of primary kids ranging from Year 1 to Year 6. I’m sure that in
the two years of their tenure these kids will benefit greatly from their
teaching. I’m sure George and Chris would love to hear from SAA
members." His latest known email address is
actmaf@netspeed.com.au
for those that want to congratulate George or offer words of
encouragement.
USS Hartford After Collision: It has been said for two thousand
years, "A collision at sea will ruin your whole day". Here are three
photos of the USS Hartford SSN768 after the collision with the
amphibious ship. I suppose it could have been much worse~! Both
ships made it back to port under their own power. It is believed that
there were only minor scrapes and burses on both ships, remarkable
considering the submarine experienced an 85 degree roll as the ship
passed over it. The Snorkel God was in a good mood that day.
Dave 'Goldie' Horne has arrived in Hue during his two week tour of
Vietnam. Goldie started down south in HCMC (Ho Chi Minh City or formerly
Saigon) and from there has visited the Mekong Delta and Cu Chi tunnels,
then flew up to the ancient city of Hoi An where he had clothes made in
less than 24 hours! Goldie reports that the food is excellent and cheap
but crossing the road is challenge, best to not look! He added
"It seems safer than sailing on a US submarine
though."
A KIWI arrives in Sydney as a new immigrant to Australia. He stops the
first person he sees walking down the street and says, "Thank you Mr.
Australian for letting me in this country, giving me housing, the dole,
free medical care, and free education!" The passerby says, "You
are mistaken, I am from England."
The man goes on and encounters another passerby. " Thank you for having
such beautiful country here in Australia !" The person says, "I not
Australian, I Vietnamese."
The new arrival walks further, and the next person he sees he stops,
shakes his hand and says, "Thank you for the wonderful Australia !"
That person puts up his hand and says, "I am from Middle East , I am not
Australian!"
He finally sees a nice lady and asks, "Are you an Australian?" She says,
"No, I am from Africa !" Puzzled, he asks her, "Where are all the
Australians?"
The African lady checks her watch and says...."Probably at work."
AE1 Search
First of all the Project AE1 team would like to again express its great
pleasure for the way those donors have supported our project. In
particular the help of Ted Graham of the Finding Sydney project and the
strong legal team led by Allan Drake- Brockman in the west have been
invaluable. It is usually always "who you know" isn't it..
I have instructed our webmaster to include all donors names as a new
section on our website.
Thanks go to the team at Allen Arthur Robinson our pro bono lawyers who
are beavering away to get us DGR status and IP contracts and a special
thanks to Major (Tiger)Tom Hall for all his invaluable research work,
one portion of which has been instrumental in confirming the submarine's
final direction from 'buried' national archives. He has also been
successful in pointing out the glaring anomaly in the terms of reference
for the AWM regarding the honour roll and I intend to seriously follow
up on this through my local member.
Well all our diver's equipment-and there is a s**t load of it- is
bouncing around in the Soufrana Tourville keeping to the safe quarter of
a developing cyclone in the Coral Sea. I have our key man 83 year old
George Tyers locked in, fit, ready to go and he will be kept steady by
Tom and his son Ian, who we are letting join us at his expense.
After being joined by George from Darwin, Tom and Samir from Sydney and
Mark from Coffs Harbour, we depart 5 April, on the Sunday Morning Qantas
flight from Brisbane via Port Moresby arriving Rabaul at sunset. We are
not mucking around; we have chartered MV Barbarian, an elderly but well
proven and well found dive charter vessel and I am taking her out the
next day with George as 'bird dog' to do a GPS locating run on the wreck
while the divers practice holding their breaths and checking the gear.
At this time, Mike Monro,Dale Paget and a Channel Seven cameraman will
join us on the Monday for interviews and for filming the first dive.
The following week will be diving on the wreck-if we are successful-
taking photos for Australian Geographic, video images for Channel Seven
and checking the wreck thoroughly for clues as to what happened. I have
the original drawings for referral and Mark has dived AE2 so there ought
to be a reasonable attempt at noting anomalies.
I guess if we are successful it should be on the news. I will make a
press release to Aunty so she can get it right this time.
If George is right, he will say "I told you so" and the Navy (circa
1974) will have egg on its face and our webmaster Mike will have more
work to do.
Tally Ho!
John Foster OAM
Finding Australia's First Submarine Incorporated
+61 2 6677 9547
projectae1@bordernet.com.au
It is not too late to make a donation, I will be promulgating John's
reports as they arrive.
DEFENCE UPDATE
Soldiers left to fight the war within
A top secret Federal Government report has admitted Australian Defence
Force (ADF) soldiers returning from war are not receiving adequate
treatment for mental health problems. Experts estimate that up to 10 per
cent of combatants returning from the Middle East and Afghanistan may be
suffering long-term mental health disorders, including post-traumatic
stress disorder (PTSD).
Now, as part of an investigation by The Age and the ABC's 4 Corners
team, ADF soldiers have spoken for the first time about the horrors they
have seen and the trauma they live through because of their experiences.
Five soldiers, some retired and some still serving, have told Four
Corners about the condition, what it means for them and their families,
and what some of them perceive as a failure by the ADF to treat them
adequately.
It has been described as shell-shock, battle fatigue and PTSD, but
whatever it is called those who have it know it is a living hell.
Just a smell, even a noise can plunge a soldier into a traumatic episode
that recalls the horror of war. One soldier, who worked as a bomb
disposal expert, says he would walk around dead bodies still burning
from explosions, with the task of finding clues among them relating to
terrorist bombs.
Now back home in Australia, he says he is haunted by his experiences.
"You've got the constant thoughts in your head of what you've seen and
been involved in," he said. "You still wake up with the, it's like
you've still been there that night. You can just taste the smoke and you
can smell it in your nose."
Another soldier says he is trying to recover from an incident that
resulted in him shooting a woman and injuring her child. "The first
question anyone
asks you is 'Did you shoot anyone?', you know," he said. "I'd
lie and say 'No' because I'd rather people think I didn't shoot anyone
than think that I shot a woman and child."
The Government report has questioned whether the Defence Force and the
Department of Veterans Affairs are doing enough to help soldiers deal
with what they have seen at war. Alarmingly, it estimates that a
majority of veterans are receiving sub-standard treatment.
One former ADF doctor says mental health disorders have only recently
been considered an issue by the Defence Force. "We certainly
encountered problems. We must be honest about that," he said. "You
must remember mental health wasn't a high priority in the ADF until the
very late 1990s."
However, the soldiers contend that mental health still is not a priority
for the ADF and they are backed by the confidential Government report.
The report warns that Australian veterans with PTSD are not getting best
practice treatment for their problems.
The report focuses too on the families of the veterans. The women who
are forced to try and help their husbands through harrowing mental
anguish say they have been left to fight a lone battle. "We
haven't had support, since he's got any support," one wife said.
"Nobody's talked to us about if the kids needed any help or anything
like that."
If you would like more information on this story watch Four Corners at
8.30pm Monday on ABC1.
Another Astute class submarine keel layed
“The Royal Navy's most powerful attack submarine programme reached a
milestone today as the traditional 'laying the keel' ceremony was
performed by Defence Secretary John Hutton for the fourth Astute class
submarine 'Audacious'.
Weighing in at over seven thousand tonnes, Audacious, which is currently
under construction by BAE Systems Submarine Solutions at
Barrow-in-Furness, will join sister boats Astute, Ambush and Artful in
becoming a cornerstone of UK defence capability.”'
Defence Secretary John Hutton said: "This ceremony marks an important
stage in a challenging project. The Astute class will be the most
advanced and powerful attack submarines the Royal Navy has ever operated
and these boats will play a key part of our defences for decades to
come.
"The Royal Navy has a long term and enduring requirement for nuclear
powered submarines and the Barrow-in-Furness yard remains the UK's
centre of excellence for submarine building.
"Submarines are extremely demanding engineering projects, and the Astute
class is no exception. The skills, expertise and commitment of the
Barrow workforce are absolutely fundamental to the success of the Astute
programme."
The Astute class are the biggest and most powerful attack submarines
ever ordered for the Royal Navy. The vessels have an improved capability
for worldwide operations, including much greater firepower and better
communications and crew accommodation than the current in-service
submarines.
Director General Submarines Rear Admiral Simon Lister said:
Astute class submarines will be based at Faslane on the Clyde and will
undergo refits at Devonport.
There have been three warships named 'Audacious'. The first was a 74-gun
wooden ship of the line that fought under Nelson at the Battle of the
Nile in 1801; the second was an ironclad that served on the China
station; and the third was a First World War battleship serving with the
Grand Fleet that was mined and sunk in 1914.”
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Come on Boof and Nigs, let's take our Valium.............
Sunday, 22nd March 2009
The weather has put me off this week and I have
not been a good mood for some reason, age I suppose. I
have had a job offer and I think that this has been playing on
my mind. I do not want to take it, but the hammering my
investments and super are taking make it an attractive
proposition. Trouble is I would have to relocate to
Sydney, a definite no-no!
My email and phone has run hot again this week
on the upcoming Sunday show on Channel 7 which is scheduled for
1830, Sunday the 29th. I hope that the producers live up
to their promise that the show will not be a witchhunt.
I am pissed .............. my computer crashed
this afternoon and i have had to redo 80% of the entry. I
am starting to wonder if the Log is still needed and if it would
be missed at all if I shut it down.
Again, not much to write about this week, so I will go
and do some weeding in the garden. Please remember, we are
always after dits for the log, please take some time to send me
some.
See you next week.
SAA NEWS
This week the Association's National committee agreed to make a small
donation to Finding Australia's First Submarine Incorporated and
received the following from John Foster OAM.
"Thank you very much for the good news. We of course look forward to all
the help we can get and whilst your $500 seems small to you, to us it
means a 10 minute Helium dive to us and every little bit helps.
If we are successful, any surplus will go into
trust for a commemorative memorial in a public place and the fight to
have the AWM place the Royal Navy loan personnel lost on the Roll of
Honour as well as ours. I hope we can bring back good news for you and
please thank the Submarines Association for us."
THE
'EVEREST CHALLENGE' I have joined the Everest Challenge.
The idea is to walk 10,000
steps per day (or more) between 23rd March and 5th April. Team
Members have been supplied with a pedometer to count our steps. Each day
we log onto the link below and add our steps which takes
the team up Mt Everest. The team does not have to be together to
walk. You may like to sponsor either the whole team or specific
individuals by logging onto
the link.
I was a little disappointed that my request last week for donations fell
on deaf ears, not one donation from the submarine community. Surely you can spare $5 out of
Rudd's pocket money to help the cause. Make a donation on behalf of me (team
member Norm Williams) or the Team. If it is too hard to
do online (go
to
the link), send a cheque or money order to me at Box
63 Bauple, 4650. Official receipts will be issued and it is
tax deductible.
Carol Wilson, the Team Leader for the
Everest Virtual Challenge wrote "I would
like to thank SAA members, Norm (Chief Stoker), Ken, John, Possum and
Vicki, family members, Sue, Fran, Sonia and Drew and Dennis from
Beenleigh for joining "The Team for 2009" to scale Mt. Everest with me.
As it is only days before the anniversary (April
2nd) of Bob's (Tug) death this Everest Challenge should serve as a
reminder that the amount raised in the 2008 Walk for Kid's with Cancer
was $74128.39. This years "Team 2009" are not doing this for themselves
(except to get fit, or to raise that amount of money) but for the young
children that this event is aimed at and also to remember all SAA
members, family and friends who have in the past and present suffered
due to this insidious disease sometimes referred to as "The big C" in
whatever form it manifests itself.
Just think what the cost of a cup of coffee, a
beer, a glass of wine, a soft drink or any other indulgence would do to
help these researchers to come up with a cure for this disease. So if
you can please go on line via the direct link below and sponsor the team
or any individual member of the team. The Challenge starts on March 23rd
(Monday) and finishes on Sunday 5th April. I don't know if we will make
the top but it will only be because of loss of oxygen. Thanks in
advance, Carol."

AROUND THE TRAPS
Paul
'Blue' Hartridge 's love for (and in) the USofA continues.
"Just letting you know of my latest exploits. I am
in the USA for 7 weeks ( Prison life is good huh? ) I am staying with
Kathy in Illinois, we went to California for 6 days and now I am
currently in Washington DC. Today I attended the funeral of Ron
'Warshot' Smith, a USN WWII Submariner and a Torpedoman to boot. I met
him on my 2004 trip across the USA. The funeral was at Arlington
Cemetery, an amazing and moving event for sure. This was of course
followed by a 'wake'. The Yanks can sure spin some good warries,
especially another WWII Vet, Art Smith another Torpedoman who earned the
Silver Star, and most of his were about women, which just proves us
Fore-Endies are the same world wide. It's now 0200 and we have finished
drinking for the night. I head back to Illinois for 4 weeks with Kathy
before heading back home to Perth. Wishing everyone well, Blue *_*."
Ray 'Tug' Wilson wrote "It is rapidly approaching
the Easter Season and for us here in Sydney that means the Royal Easter
Show with its usual attractions of crowds, animals, crowds, side shows,
crowds and show bags or as I knew them in my youth sample bags. This
reminded me of the nickname of a bloke at work which is "Show Bag" only
because he is full of shit."
Peter
Smith, SAA's Historian, asked "I have had some
communication from Scotland on their request of the decanter with the
inscription "The No10 Saturday Morning Club". As you are aware a member
of HMAS J 7 was a member of this club possibly in Chatswood, NSW during
1919-1922 or down in Geelong, VIC, circa 1922-24. I have tried to
research this item, but at the moment I have hit a brick wall, there is
too much information out there to figure what this is all about.
Hopefully, a reader of this site may recognise the attached photo and
point me in the right direction."
Jim Joyce does not seem to be sympathetic to
the plight of today's submariners "I see
the pay today's Submariners are getting, but I also see that
they have to spend such a long time away from home on
deployments and I also see that some of them don't even like
each other......Well F##k My Old Tall Hat. Did they think
'Boats' was all 'Sunshine and Lollipops'. There were people in
Boats that I didn't like and I am sure they didn't like me. But
we did the job and learned to live with one another. It's called
being a 'Professional Submariner'. Something obviously
some People need to learn. Sad Indeed."
Former Training Authority - Submarines, CMDR
John Renwick, has moved to Sydney to take on the role of
Commander Test and Evaluation at RANTEAA. John's not a bad
hand for a Scot and we had a great relationship at the submarine
school in WA. john, a Collins submariner, said
"I took my brother through ONSLOW on the
weekend - after our Freedom of Entry march. The boat looks good
and still impressive....don't know how you did it!"
It was easy John, they kept us pissed.
Georgie Barrass is trying to locate a bloke nick named 'Big
Red' who was in Chatham Dockyard in 1969 on HMCS Okanagan.
Can you help?
Paul
'Bulkhead' Newman wrote "Been a while
between entries...so I though that I might contribute....Have
been playing "Pg Pig" for the past couple of years working 28
day rotations and now have settled back into the life at Jervis
bay...working At DMS as the Business Unit Engineer......
couldn't ask for a better work location as you can see on the
pic's (Farncomb at JB), anyway I was off to work yesterday
morning and there in the distance was this "sleek black
machine". Anyways when I was enjoying a cuppa before work a work
boat showed up and off climbed 20 odd "Middies" and one in
number CPO Darren Thompson looking as glamorous as ever giving
the hard sell line to join boats, good to see the there still
some crusty old hands still around and enjoying the mob. Bumped
into a lot of ex submariners in the oilfield its a good life and
an eye-opener."
PM
Kevin Rudd is talking to 3 armed forces personnel; 1 from each
of his fighting forces. He asks each one what they would do if
they woke up and found a camel spider in their tent on
deployment?
The Army Sergeant says, "I'd reach over, grab my bayonet and
stab it to death!"
The Navy PO says, "I'd reach over, grab my boot and batter it to
death !"
The RAAF Sergeant says, "I'd reach over, pick up my phone, call
reception and ask who the f*** has put a tent up in my hotel
room?"
While on the subject of RAAF chappies I have
discovered another submariner that moved across to join the men
in purple, LAC Angus Wilkie. Some people will do anything
to avoid working for a living..
Sandy Freeleagus wrote "I
think I read somewhere in Up Periscope that it was mooted that
the Submarine Squadron should be brought back to the east coast
and away from the Skimmers and forge their own identity again.
Problem is with that line of reasoning, is that our boats are
stationed in the west as that is closest to potential trouble
spots and "areas of interest" where reaction time is a minimum.
If they were back on the east coast, their transit lines (and
times) were way too prohibited. This was discussed in meetings
and forums that I attended in Navy Office and the obvious
solution of our lengthy transit routes was (dare I say) nuclear
boats with the appropriate turn of speed and virtual unlimited
endurance. Naturally whilst the design people were delighted
with this reasoning, politics (and the counter reaction from the
dockyard unions and splinter green groups) would cause too much
trouble. Besides, the Mob could
have 6 diesels for 1 nukie pooh cost wise. (Nukes were discussed
in length as a replacement for the Oberons).
This was one reason why the Dutch Walrus Class was so desirable
- it had a diesel-electric drive component and whenever (if
ever) it were required, a rather large soft spot could be
removed from the hull and a complete pre-designed nuclear
reactor and propulsion system be dropped in in situ.
I can see why the Submarine Squadron have no choice
(operationally) but to stay over the west, but I wish the
Collins boys (and girls) had their own separate base (and were
allowed to grow their hair long - well the boys ones anyway)."
True Sandy, but I have heard some interesting buzzes and they
include some way out ideas, watch this space for future
developments.
YOUR CHOICE...........
Mobile
Phone Numbers Go Public next month and all mobile phone numbers
are being released to telemarketing companies.
Which numbers can I list on the Do Not Call
Register? - You can list your Australian fixed line and
mobile numbers on the Do Not Call Register, provided the numbers
are used primarily for private or domestic purposes.
How does the register work? - Under the Do Not Call
Register Act 2006, telemarketers can check their calling lists
against the Do Not Call Register. If a telemarketer calls a
number on the Do Not Call Register, they may be in breach of the
Act, and may face penalties.
Why has the Do Not Call Register been set up? - The Do
Not Call Register has been set up in response to increasing
community concern about the growth in unsolicited telemarketing
calls.
This
link
is where you can enter your phone numbers online to put an end
to telemarketing calls.
HEALTH & WELFARE MATTERS
Never
give up - a member's case history
I read with little wonder that different members are getting
different results from Vet Affairs. The whole process is very
subjective and open to the whims of those doing the review.
There are however a few basic steps the member should take. viz:
-
a. Get ALL your naval
health records, mine even included getting treatment for
acne at HMAS Nirminba in 1972 ( a good dodge for divisions),
these are available free upon written request from Russell
offices (check the navy website for current address),
-
b. Find a GOOD advocate,
the first I had was not worth a hip pocket in a singlet even
though he was a paid RSL Advocate, (how do find a good one,
good question, ask him/her lots of questions, ask your
friends, ask around) Find one that has a working knowledge
of Vet Affairs and talks to them regularly (the old boy
network), my second one was an Army Major (Rtd).
-
c. Lodge a claim with Vet
Affairs listing ALL your current medical conditions whether
or not you believe they are service related, (they have
graphs now which figure out how many ladders you went up and
down etc for knees etc)
-
d. When Vet Affairs
finally get back to you, they will probably have selected
specialists for you to go to. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GO TO ANY
SPECIALIST THEY NOMINATE. You can go to any specialist who
will do a report for Vet Affairs. Ask around, ask your GP
who you should see.
I put down depression,
alcoholism (non practising) and lumbar injury. They sent me
to a child psychiatrist who after 30 minutes having never
seen me before said my alcoholism etc was due to my
childhood. The second psychiatrist i chose and he stated
that the navy was responsible for sleep disorder, alcoholism
(pain management) and chronic low moods (due to pain).
The "specialist"
orthopaedic surgeon they sent me to said that I would get
20% (how did he know), go home, be happy and shut up. I
asked him about the pain in my right hip and right leg. He
said it had nothing to do with my accident; even though I
fell horizontally onto the fore-ends lower deck on my right
side and burst my hip bursitis sack. My "Advocate" said I
was lucky to get 20% and to go home and shut up.
-
e. DON"T under any
circumstances let Vet Affairs do your Lifestyle
Questionnaire. Do it yourself on a worst case basis, i.e.
your worst days.
I let Vet Affairs do it twice under my
-
f. Use the SOPs
(Statement of Principals) on the Vet Affairs web site.
-
g. Use the Oberon Class
Health and Safety Report. The federal government has decreed
that it was up to Vet Affairs to disprove these findings
rather than the other way round.
-
h. If you have to, pay to
see a specialist yourself. I went to Brisbane and saw one
who finally unravelled what was wrong with my spine. It
really helped in subsequent claims as I went from 30 to 90%
in one hit. (That is too big a jump for my health to have
deteriorated; answer, WE (me, my advocate and Vet Affairs
specialists) got it wrong).
-
i. If you are unhappy at
any stage, seek help.
-
j. Be prepared for the
long haul, it took me six years to have all my conditions
recognised.
I enclose my current health status not to big note myself but
to demonstrate what a good team (yourself, advocate, GP and
specialists) can do. It got me from 20% (Go home and shut up) to
100%. Remember, at first they only recognised my Lumbar
Spondylosis!!!!!!!!
Current Medical Conditions
Alcoholism (non-practising)
Lumbar Spondylosis *
Thoracic Spondylosis *
Thoracic Scoliosis
Ousteo Arthrosis * (joints worn out, neck, hands, ankles, knees,
elbows, lumbar area)
Acute Pain Syndrome *
Acute Insomnia *
Acute Dysthymia * (constant low mental state)
Right Leg Atrophying *
Right Hip Pain *
Right Hip Bursitis Sack broken
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (P.T.S.D) (from childhood)
Constant headaches from lack of sleep and pain killers *
(morphine, codeine and valium)
* = Veterans Affairs Covered
In providing this the contributor hopes that it will give others
the resolve needed to deal with DVA.
Eternal Patrol
It is with regret that I announce the death of Michael (Mike) Walter
Norton in Victoria on the 19th March after complications resulting from
surgery.
Mike also known as "Lofty" volunteered for Royal Navy submarines in
1952, on completion of his initial training, he joined HMS Astute in
January 1953 and completed his part three in March. Later that month
Mike joined HMS Totem for four months, leaving the boat in July.
In August 1953, Mike found himself drafted to HMS Token, he spent his
time in this boat until March 1954. On leaving the boat Mike was sent to
HMS Sentinel, this was to be his last submarine. Mike drafted off the
boat in December 1955.
Mike retired from the Royal Navy as an Acting LEM. He migrated to
Australia and chose to live in Victoria. Mike joined the Association in
May 1990 and was an active member in the Victorian Branch, having served
on the committee during 2008.
Compiled by Peter Smith - SAA Historian
A card has been sent to the Norton family on behalf of
the President and Members of the Association.
Funeral arrangements: Tuesday 24th March at 1000,
Private Cremation, no flowers by request
W.D. Rose Chapel
221, Charman Road
Cheltenham
Relaxing the replacement of Australian Defence
Force (ADF) medals policy for disaster victims
The Parliamentary Secretary for Defence
Support, the Hon. Dr Mike Kelly AM MP, today announced the Government is
relaxing the replacement of Australian Defence Force (ADF) medals policy
so that any medals lost during the devastating Victorian bushfires and
Queensland floods can be replaced. "The policy does not presently allow
ADF medals to be replaced and released to family members, but given
these difficult circumstances I have agreed to relax this policy," Dr
Kelly said.
"All Australians are deeply moved and affected by
these disasters and it is fitting that victims are extended every
possible assistance to help them restore what little they can. "This
offer demonstrates that Defence can not only assist by providing people
and equipment in the affected areas themselves, but also help in other
ways at a more personal level.
"Family members who have, through the devastating
bushfires and floods, lost the medals of loved ones who served in the
Defence Force may now make application for replacements. "They should
use the application form and statutory declaration located on the
Defence Honours and Awards website," Dr Kelly said.
The Defence Honours and Awards website is at:
www.defence.gov.au/medals.
Enquiries may also be directed to Defence Honours and Awards toll free
on 1800 111 321.
Completed applications should be submitted to:
Directorate of Honours and Awards
T-4
Department of Defence
PO Box 7952
CANBERRA BC ACT 2610
Prime Ministerial Advisory Council Meeting
On Thursday and Friday this week the Prime Ministerial Advisory Council
on ex-service matters gathered for its third meeting. Details of PMAC
can be found at its website: http://minister.dva.gov.au/PMAC/index.htm
There is now a facility available which enables submissions to be made
direct to the Council at that site. If you are interested in matters
affecting the Defence community the site is quite informative.
DEFENCE NEWS
Two U.S. Navy vessels collide
Two U.S. Navy vessels — a nuclear-powered submarine and an amphibious
ship — collided before dawn Friday in the mouth of the Persian Gulf, one
of the world's most important sea passages for oil supplies. There was
no damage to the sub's nuclear propulsion system and no disruption to
shipping in the strategic Strait of Hormuz, through which a fifth of the
world's oil passes, said Navy spokesman Lt. Nate Christensen, with the
Bahrain-based 5th Fleet.
The incident happened around 1:00 a.m. local time Friday (5 p.m. EDT
Thursday), when the USS Hartford, a submarine, and the USS New Orleans,
an amphibious ship, collided in the narrow Strait of Hormuz, the 5th
Fleet said in a statement. The New Orleans suffered a ruptured
fuel tank, resulting in a spill of approximately 25,000 gallons of
diesel fuel, Christensen said.
According to the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet, 15 sailors aboard the Hartford
were slightly injured but able to return to duty. No injuries were
reported aboard the New Orleans, and both ships are operating under
their own power. "The spill is closely monitored," Christensen said.
"The lightweight diesel, although obviously a fairly substantial amount
of gasoline, likely dissipated in the ocean."
Military analyst Loren Thompson of the U.S.-based Lexington Institute
said a collision between two vessels in the world's most sophisticated
navy is nearly unheard of. It's more common for ships of different
navies to collide, or military vessels and commercial ships, he said.
It's almost inevitable that people are relieved of duty pending
investigation," Thomson told The Associated Press by phone. "These sort
of accidents are so uncommon that you have to take it for granted that a
major mistake occurred by one of the vessels' captains."
Both ships were heading to port and were going in the same direction
when the incident occurred in the narrow Hormuz, said Christensen. He
said the submarine was submerged at the time but that he could give no
further details as the collision is still under investigation. Later
Friday, the vessels were on their way to port for repairs and
evaluation, added Christensen. Following standard security procedures he
could not say where the vessels were headed.
Hormuz at its narrowest is 34 miles wide, but the location of the
collision was not disclosed. The two ships were on regularly scheduled
deployments to the region and conducting security operations, the Navy
said. The Hartford is based in Groton, Conn., and the New Orleans is
based in San Diego. As all U.S. submarines, the Hartford is
nuclear-powered. The New Orleans is an amphibious transport dock ship.
As much as 17 million barrels of oil a day went through the narrow
strait in the first half of 2008, or about 40 percent of all seaborne
traded oil or 20 percent of all oil traded globally.
Russia to commission quieter submarine
The first Lada class diesel-electric submarine featuring extended noise
reduction will be commissioned with the Russian Navy in 2010, deputy
head of the Navy General Staff said on Friday.
The St. Petersburg is a Project 677 diesel submarine developed by the
Rubin design bureau, whose export version is known as the Amur 1650. It
features an advanced anti-sonar coating for its hull, an extended
cruising range, and advanced anti-ship and anti-submarine weaponry,
including Club-S cruise missile systems. "The sub is undergoing
sea trials to test new propulsion, electronics and weapons systems,"
Vice Admiral Oleg Burtsev said.
The construction of the sub began in 1997 at the St. Petersburg's
Admiralty Shipyards. Two other submarines of the same class - the
Kronshtadt and the Sevastopol - are being built by the company.
The Lada class vessels will gradually replace the Kilo class submarines,
which are sometimes called "Black Holes" for their uncanny ability to
"disappear," and are thought to be one of the quietest diesel-electric
submarine classes in the world.
The Russian Navy is planning to commission a total of eight Lada class
submarines in the future, the admiral said.
New submarine fleet a long way off
By Andrew Davies
So far only a few things are clear - there will be a replacement for the
Collins submarine, and it will be delivered sometime after 2020. (www.defence.gov.au)
There has been a recent flurry of media reports about the plans for
Australia's future submarine fleet. Depending on who you read, the
number of subs to be built is anywhere from six to 18, and the project
budget is somewhere between $12 and $35 billion.
So who is right? As it happens, the correct answer is 'none of the
above' - yet. The road to a future submarine is a long one and there are
many decision points to be negotiated before the final solution emerges.
In fact, this project is a very good example of just how complex defence
projects can be. It's easy to be critical in hindsight when projects
like the Seasprite helicopters go wrong, but this is a good case study
of just how hard it can be to see the right path in advance.
So far only a few things are clear; there will be a replacement for the
Collins submarine, it will be built in Adelaide and delivered sometime
after 2020, and nuclear subs are out of the question. Pretty much
everything else is still to be settled. Even very basic questions such
as how large the subs need to be, what technologies they will have and
who is going to design and build them are still to be answered.
The complexities of the submarine project arise from a number of
sources, but they all owe their existence to a single observation: there
is no submarine on the world market that does what we want. When
deciding to build the Collins class, the Australian government of the
day decided that the country would be best served by having a submarine
fleet that could conduct extended patrols thousands of miles from home.
There is no suggestion that that requirement will be relaxed. In fact,
the Prime Minister has stated that Australia's naval forces will be
strengthened in order to play a role in an increasingly contested
Asia-Pacific region, the countries of which will field dozens of new
submarines over the next few decades.
The world's submarines fall into two broad classes - long-range and
high-endurance nuclear subs and much shorter-range conventional ones.
The only submarines that fall in between are our own Collins (a design
now over 20 years old), Japan's fleet (constitutionally banned from
export) and a South Korean design only just starting to take shape. So
chances are that nothing on the world market will do the job we want.
And even if it did, any submarine versus submarine engagement would look
uncomfortably like an even fight if both sides were operating subs
bought in the same marketplace.
Australia is almost uniquely well-placed to do better than that. We have
a close alliance with the United States that gives us access to
sensitive systems, weapons and technologies, and we have a hard-won
national capability to build those technologies into a European-sourced
submarine design. (The Collins was based on a Swedish design.) In other
words, we can have the best of both worlds - US systems developed for
their very capable but all-nuclear fleet coupled with state-of-the-art
European conventional submarine technology. The resultant boat could
give us the edge we seek.
But there is a very delicate balancing act to be performed in doing
that. For a start, there are technical issues to be surmounted in
marrying the different design philosophies. For example, nuclear
submarines have essentially no power limitations, so equipment designed
for them does not take into account the power budgets that have to be
managed in conventionals.
But just as importantly, the Americans and Europeans hold their
submarine technologies very closely and don't want them to 'leak'
(admittedly not a propitious word to use when writing about submarines)
to other countries. Australia would have to manage the process very
carefully to keep the potential providers confident that their secrets
were safe with us. So the Australian Government will act as a trusted
broker in government-to-government and navy-to-navy negotiations.
Industry will be brought in progressively as the design firms up.
So where are we now? Basically, at step one. Defence has asked a number
of submarine design houses for a 'concept design', essentially a
high-level 'sketch' of what the future submarine might look like. That
concept will be refined over the next two years, after which preliminary
designs will be refined for another couple of years. Between 2013 and
2016 the detailed design will be developed, with construction not
starting until (at the earliest) 2016.
Before the concept is fully developed, there can be no firm decision on
the number of submarines - after all, how do we know how many we need
before we know what each one can do? Similarly, costs won't be known
until the design is well advanced. And, of course, we need to be
convinced that the manning and support of any expanded submarine fleet
could be managed.
So take any dramatic headlines in the near future about the size, shape
and cost of Australia's future submarine fleet with a grain of salt.
Andrew Davies is the director of operations and capability at the
Australian Strategy Policy Institute. The views here are his own.
Come on Boof and Nigs, let's nap before we mow the lawn.............
Sunday, 15th March 2009
Cyclone Hamish has been and gone, leaving Bauple
very damp indeed. I could not do much outside so it gave
me little reason not to continue painting inside, I hate
painting!!!
It also gave me an opportunity to continue
updating the Association's membership database, if I have not
been in touch with you yet, I soon will. There are still a
lot of you out there that we either have no (or an incorrect)
email address for. If you do not receive email from me
please let me know, it means that yours is not on record.
Not much to write about this week, so I will go
and finish the March edition of In Depth. See you next week.
SAA NEWS
NOTICE OF AGM
Members are
advised that the Annual General Meeting of the Submarine
Association Australia will be held in Fremantle on Sunday 7th
June 2008 at 1000.
Notices of
Motion and Nomination of Office Bearers are to be with the
National
Secretary by 1st April 2009.
Members should be aware that, in accordance
with the Association's Constitution, the incumbent CANSG shall
be invited to be our Vice Patron. I am pleased to announce that
Commodore Steve Davies RAN has accepted the position and has
also joined the Association. Welcome Aboard Steve.
Members may have heard rumours that the Channel
7 'Sunday Night' programme will be doing a segment on the Onslow
accident and Christopher Passlow's death. Many of the main
players have been interviewed and and the segment will be aired
on the 29th March (not 22nd as originally
reported). It is understood that DCN is likely to be
interviewed to explain Navy's current response to critical
incidents and how the RAN support our members today.
When I was contacted by the director I
expressed my concerns that the show would sensationalise the
incident and become a 'blame and shame' story. The
director was quick to ally my concerns and promised a balanced
view. I am not sure there is anything to gain after 30 plus
years, but I have since talked to many involved and was (not)
surprised to hear that many had been poorly treated by DVA and
if this in anyway helps them it may be worthwhile.
I have also heard through the grapevine of an
announcement that will be made soon on future manning solutions
for the Collins Class and if correct is a positive (but short
term) move to man (woman) the boats. Desperate times call
for desperate solutions
Watch this space for further developments.

Acting National Secretary
Western Australian Branch If you have not yet registered for SUBCON 2009 here in Fremantle this June
please consider doing so. Invite your mate from the East to stay with
you to reduce the costs. You only need to charge him half the price of a
room at the Esplanade and then you are both quids in front.
Don't forget the BBQ in Kings Park on 22 March, Map of BBQ Area
Attached, it is all BYO including wives, children, food and drinks, hope
to see you there.
ANZAC Day March now in Fremantle with two up and pints down at Rosy
O'Grady's. We have a number of Car Park
Permits so contact a member of the Executive if you want to car pool.
It would be appreciated if you would contact Secretary
Paul Meakin and
inform him of your attendance at any or
all of the above activities.
Queensland Branch
Rob Woolrych has received responses from about 60 who have
indicated interest/non-interest in attending the AGM/Dinner
Dance on the weekend of the 1st/2nd August 2009.
In an email to Members Rob explained "The
reason why we have asked for you to indicate early if you would
be interested, is that last time we cancelled a gathering at the
last moment due to apparent lack of interest we were inundated
with complaints about the cancellation. This time we are
“testing the water” and support is good BUT we would like to
have some input from those other 130 to see if they and their
partners would like to join us. If there are any more of you who
are interested in joining us for the Dinner Dance/AGM then we
would like to hear from you. All submariners and ex-submariners
are welcome."
New South Wales Branch
Do not forget the Sunday 22 March BBQ on Spectacle Island. Let Ken
Williams know if you can attend and he will add you to the list.

AROUND THE TRAPS
"Jock" Hutchison has been the victim of political correctness and never
knew it. He wrote
Join Carol Wilson's team in the “Everest
Challenge” for the Royal Brisbane Children’s Hospital
Foundation. She has registered a team to take the “Everest
Challenge” and so far members of the team are Carol Wilson, Ken
Chilvers, John O’Brien,
Susan Cutler, Dennis Wey, Vicki Atkinson and Peter (Possum)
Adams. Carol can have up to 15 members so if you want to join
and raise funds for this worthwhile cause you can log onto the
website and register (has to be done by
Tuesday) and costs $25.00. The idea is to walk 10,000
steps per day (or more) between 23rd March and 5th April. You
will be supplied with a pedometer to count your steps. Each day
you then log onto the link below and add your steps which takes
the team up Mt Everest. The team does not have to be together to
walk, you can walk wherever you wish. If you cannot join the
team you may like to sponsor either the whole team or specific
individuals by logging onto
the link. I have joined the team and Boof says
"Join up or make a donation on behalf of
team member Norm Williams or I'll come after you!! If it
is too hard to do online, send a cheque or money order today"
Jim
Moon, shown here wearing a tea cosy, got involved in a verbal
slanging match between Boot Hatfield and I and joined in
with "Pssssssssssst. Hey Boot, Go easy on
the SPO. Bung was in his pit the whole time I was on the
'Burner. He also didn't know shit cos he was only a (spit) PO
Stoker - not even a real tiffie-type. I actually thought that he
had died on one trip because he wasn't in his pit. I checked the
fwd tubes for body bags but someone had moved him. I later found
out that was because they needed to get to a spare gear locker
and his rotting torso was in the way..." I asked
Jim which week of his seatime this incident occurred, the first
or second, but as yet no response.
Lloyd Blake found this description of the
Australian SAS… same applied to Submariners ……..once upon a
time!
They live an intimate lifestyle, deploy
together, train together, live together, eat together, go
outside the envelope together…..they trust and depend on each
other."
Lloyd also sent the following: The Collins Submariner report:
Would appear the modern Navy tried to do the impossible - Absorb
Submarines in to the skimmer fleet as submersible frigates
painted the wrong colour. Recall 40 years ago when Oberons
arrived on station at Platypus the RAN did not know what to make
of us. The Submarine Force did not take long to become (and
enjoy) being outcasts in our own Navy. Entering harbour Naval
ships passing within a few hundred yards are required to salute
each other…. particularly low ranking Submarines – On one
occasion the big ships alongside GI sent a complaint to Plats
regarding a Submarine that transited the harbour & failed to
salute a senior ship ! The Submarine CO told the NO to plot a
track clear of GI……so we can legally ignore the bastards !
Having our RADM Ian MacDougall appointed Chief of Navy must have
rocked the boat – they sure need him back now.
Terry
'Coyote' Wyatt found this photo of Orion's Crew, tit was taken,
the day they joined 3rd Squadron in Faslane where it remained
for some time. He came across it while trying to help out
Wayne Donnelly who lost a all of his memorabilia in a fire some
time a go. select image for full size.
The chief woman “Greenie Tree-Hugging Activist”,
who was responsible for getting horses banned from National
parks and State forests, was climbing a tree to have a look out
over the forest, when a Tawny Frogmouth Owl attacked her for
invading its nesting site. In a panic to escape, she slid down
the tree, getting a great number of splinters lodged in her
crotch area. In considerable pain she hurried to the nearest
doctor, told him she was an environmentalist and how she got all
the splinters.
The doctor listened with great patience and then told her to go
into the examining room & he would see if he could help her. She
waited for 3 hours before the doctor reappeared, Angry, the
woman demanded “What took you so long?” “Well…” replied the
doctor, “…I had to get permits from the Environmental Protection
Agency; the Forestry Service; the National Parks & the Wildlife
Service; The Wilderness Society & the Department of Conservation
& Land Management before I could remove ‘old growth timber from
a ‘recreational area’…I’m sorry but they all turned me down.”
Possum Adams wrote "Just
read this week's Chief's Log - Can I say once again it's spelt
prosTate - no need for the extra "R" - but I'd like to add to
the rest of the contributors about "O" Boats - When are the
Upper Crust going to listen to those of us that served in them
and bring them back to the Eastern States, don\'t they get it -
people don't and will not "uplift and disrupt" their families
and then leave them "Dumped" in a "Strange State" where they
have "no family or support or FRIENDS." Why not split the
Squadron (or whatever they call it now) and call for people from
"Skimmers" that are "Sea Trained" and ready to go to sea and
serve their country without all this B.S. they're being fed now.
by" crap they\'re getting now!!!!! Just a thought."
Phillip Skinner
is trying to make contact with GJ "Taffey" Gwyne who was also on
the same Mech's course as Ron Bucci and himself, 1980-1982. He
is trying to find as many of that group for a possible reunion.
He asked "If Taffy is one of your
members, can you please ask him to contact me at home on 02 6629
1254 OR email me. Cheers Phil Skinner ex CPOMTP4."
Can anyone help, I do not have his contact details.
Garth Schmidt has advised me that Claude
(Rob) Roberts is in the Ingham hospital at present and has been
coming down to Townsville for tests. Rob has been diagnosed with
prostrate and bone cancer. He is in a good frame of mind and
despite his obvious discomfort, looks well. Garth added
"He is so positive that he is already talking of marching again
this Anzac Day, something which he has always done, which is not
a bad effort for an 86 year old." He can be
contacted at the Ingham hospital on (07) 47762000.
I was talking to a few ladies at a cocktail party the
other night and someone mentioned there might be a hung
Parliament after the state election! Sounds great said a young blonde
beauty, the last politician I met had such a little dick!
Obviously not referring to the Premier!
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Military Language Conversion Chart |
|
NAVY |
ARMY |
AIR FORCE |
|
Heads |
Shitter |
Powder Room |
|
Rack |
Bunk / Farter |
Queen bed electric blanket & doona
|
|
Cafe / SCRAN Hall |
Mess / Mess Tent |
Dining Facility |
|
Pussers Cook |
Cook / Fitter & Turner |
Contract Chef |
|
Brew |
Brew |
Vanilla Skim Latte' with a bickie
|
|
Limers / Goffa |
Goffa/ jebwby juice (can of coke/cordial) |
Shirley Temple |
|
W9's/Coveralls |
Cams /DPCUs |
Casual Attire |
|
Seaman |
Private |
Bobby / Jimmy |
|
Chief |
WO2 |
Timothy / Justin |
|
Captain |
Colonel |
Rupert / James |
|
The Table(chooks) |
Article 15 |
Time Out |
|
Mess/Onboard |
Barracks |
Self contained Apartment |
|
Durps/Trolleys |
Underwear |
Knickers |
|
Cells |
Piss Can |
Grounded |
|
Cero's |
Pollys |
Armani Suit |
|
Lid / Cap |
Beret/Head Gear/ Slouch |
Optional |
|
AFT Stores |
Q
Store |
Westfield Shopping Mall |
|
Hammered |
Pissed |
Oops. little tipsy.. |
|
Deployment/ Detachment |
Deploy / Ops / Bush / Scrub / Field
|
Huh? |
|
Runners |
Runners |
Moccasin's |
|
Die for your Country |
Die for your Mate |
Die for Air Conditioning |
|
Shipmate/Oppo/Besty |
Mate/digger |
Honey/Babe/Pookie |
|
Terminate / Contact |
Take Out |
Back on Base for Nuck Night |
|
Boiler Boots |
GP’s / Terras |
Ugg Boots |
|
Pussers Sandals |
JC
Sandals |
Patent Leather Stilettos |
|
SEAL |
SASR |
Librarian |
|
Shore Patrol |
MPs |
Chaperone's |
|
Hot Packs |
Rat Packs |
Al
a Carte |
|
Throw a Goffa |
Salute / Chuck a Boxer |
Wave |
|
Obstacle Course |
Obs Course |
Typing Course |
|
Quarterdeck
|
Drill Practice/Parade Ground |
What? |
|
Canteen |
AAFCANS / Frontline |
McHappy Meal |
|
RANPFT |
PT
/ BFA |
Smoko / Ping Pong Comps |
|
Chief Swain |
RSM |
OIC Cuddles |
|
Midshipman |
Officer Cadet |
Debutant |
|
Pusser |
AJ
|
RAAFY Chappy |
Bob McGuire
wrote "I have just visited your
web site -and ask as a token of mateship if you will put our
link on your links page as we have honoured yours in the
same way. We are called
NASHOS WA
and we are a group of ex soldiers looking for our mates and
have created a social outlet for ex nashos, we are not
national service association."
Telstra Rip Off
For anyone contemplating using the Sensis directory service number,
1234, DON'T! Sensis, as you may or may not know, is a
subsidiary of Telstra. The 1234 number is replacing the
Telstra 12456 directory assistance number, but this time
with outrageous costs attached: 40c to call the number, then
4c A SECOND! From mobiles its $1.40 per call plus 88c to
connect.
By law, Telstra have to provide a FREE directory assistance
number, because they are still majority owned by the
government. They choose however not to pass this number on
to the public. What's the free number?
1223
A blonde with two burnt ears went to her doctor. The doctor
asked her what had happened to her ears and she answered, "I
was ironing a shirt and the phone rang - but instead of
picking up the phone, I accidentally picked up the iron and
stuck it to my ear."
"Oh Dear!" the doctor exclaimed in disbelief. "But, what
happened to your other ear?"
"The jerk called back!"
Netiquette
A visitor to the Log wrote expressing his frustration with
some email. He wrote "Not sure
who to turn to but maybe you could put another blurb on the
log. below you can see what I have just received 2 emails
totaling over 10 Mb! Many of the Log users are not 100%
computer savvy. My other pet hate and one that can cause
viruses to spread is when I have to scroll past zillions of
other email addresses when the sender should have used the
BCC option."
I receive between 50-100 email a day and I too get annoyed
with some of the large email, especially when I get
"Forwarded" copies of the same 6MB email. Please consider
before sending, is it really interesting enough to warrant
sending it, not everyone is on Broadband and it really pisses
them off.
BCC and Privacy
People have become increasingly hypersensitive about their
privacy during the last few years. They expect that when
they provide personal details they will be used only for the
purposes for which they have been provided and not shared by
original trustees. This is especially true of email
addresses because of the huge volume of unsolicited email
circulating the Internet. Worries about identify theft have
also increased in the last few years.
Despite this, numbers of people using email unwittingly
reveal the email addresses of other people to whom they are
sending email.
When you send email messages to a large number of multiple
addressees, use the Blind Carbon Copy field.
Simply enter all the addresses in the BCC
field separated by a semi-colon, comma, or whatever your
program uses. When you click the send button, your email
will go to each individual with only his or her name in the
To field. None of the recipients knows to who else the email
has been sent.
Outlook 2002 (and maybe later versions) will allow you to
send BCC addressed email without an address in the To field.
Other email clients require at least one address in
the To field before they will allow multiple recipient
addresses in the BCC field. Test your email program to see
what works and what doesn’t.
Test the program you use to see if it needs
to have an addressee in the To field. If so, address it to
yourself. (Surprisingly, email programs usually allow us to
email ourselves ... that's why I receive so many emails from
female admirers (just joking). If you need to make an
entry in the To field, place your own email address in that
field and everyone else’s address in the BCC field.
HEALTH & WELFARE MATTERS
Libs to oppose Seniors' Health Card test?
I received an email in which Len Smith wrote
"Tony Abbott MP this time has nailed it! He is
absolutely right! Labor, it seems is at it again, Whacking those who can
least afford it! If this article below is correct, then we need to make
our disgust known to our local Federal Member and state politician.
Labor who espouses that they look after the "people of our nation" is
indeed a fallacy. This is the 4th major attack on those who can least
afford it, since they came into power, just 16 months ago!
Maybe ALL of the self funded retirees should spend all of their
superannuation savings and then the government would have something to
cry about!
Please get your network moving on this one to make sure our voices are
heard. If Labor thinks they will have the "grey vote" and indeed those
former military people who have put their life savings into a
superannuation to get a better life, next time round then this
government will need to think again on this one and real fast!
When will our Senior Citizens of our "Great Country" get some assurance
from our Federal Government that each time at the Whim of some bloody
minded beaurocrat whose life is and will be well cared for, twists the
knife, yet again, just to trim a few dollars? If it was a criminal
offence that our greatest generation of all time be INSULTED, then EVERY
One who "sinks the boot" into these gracious people, who continue to
struggle in their twilight years, should do the appropriate time?
For once and for all, get off their backs and make the appropriate
savings where our country's taxpayers money is often being wasted, just
to get votes!
And I didn't forget to mention! Leave people's home out of the "Assets
Assessment Equation", ONCE AND FOR ALL!
Mr Rudd, we will graciously accept your "backflip" on this, but Sack the
B....... who came up with this idea. I hope he/she/they were NOT on a
performance bonus on the amount their idea saved our federal Government.
There should also be a very BIG penalty for those who "waste" the
Australian Taxpayers money. I could NOT find ONE, yes that's right! Not
ONE decent Australian who begrudges Seniors having this card!
I hope those people responsible for this atrocious proposition sleeps
well at night? Because most of us are only here today because of most of
these brave people, saved our country. Short memories people! your doing
what the Japanese, North Korean and Viet Cong couldn't do-kill their
heart and soul! Leave the Bloody Seniors alone!"
Veteran and War
Widow Pensions Rise
Indexation will deliver Veteran and War
Widow pensioners up to an extra $14.10 a fortnight, Minister for
Veterans’ Affairs Alan Griffin announced today. Some 365,000 veterans,
their partners and war widows will benefit. Minister Griffin said
pensions will increase from 20 March, paid from pension day 26 March.
“For the first time, the Special Rate (TPI) Pension is more than $1,000
a fortnight at $1,011.90,” Mr Griffin said.
The increases are based on a movement of 0.9 per
cent in the Consumer Price Index (CPI) and a top-up of $2.60 per
fortnight to bring the single Service Pension rate to 25 per
cent of Male Total Average Weekly Earnings (MTAWE). All
disability pensions are indexed by reference to both CPI and
MTAWE. This resulted in a 1.4 per cent increase.
|
Pension |
Old fortnightly rate |
New fortnightly rate |
|
Special Rate (TPI) Pension/ MRCA Special Rate Disability Pension |
$997.80 |
$1,011.90 |
|
Extreme Disablement Adjustment |
$550.70 |
$558.50 |
|
100 per cent General Rate of Disability Pension |
$354.50 |
$359.50 |
|
Intermediate Rate Disability Pension |
$677.00 |
$686.60 |
|
Service Pension – single |
$562.10 |
$569.80 |
|
Service Pension – couples |
$469.50 each. $939.00 couple |
$475.90 each. $951.80 couple |
|
War Widows/ers Pension |
$598.70 |
$607.00 |
|
Income Support Supplement |
$167.80 |
$170.20 |
For more information on the new pension rates visit
www.dva.gov.au or
call 133 254.Love story
An elderly man lay dying in his bed. While suffering the agonies
of impending death, he suddenly smelled the aroma of his favourite
scones wafting up the stairs. He gathered his remaining strength, and
lifted himself from the bed. Leaning on the wall, he slowly made his way
out of the bedroom, and with even greater effort, gripping the railing
with both hands, he crawled downstairs. With laboured breath, he leaned
against the door-frame, gazing into the kitchen. Were it not for death's
agony, he would have thought himself already in heaven, for there,
spread out upon the kitchen table were literally hundreds of his
favourite scones. Was it heaven? Or was it one final act of love from
his devoted Irish wife of sixty years, seeing to it that he left this
world a happy man?
Mustering one great final effort, he threw himself towards the table,
landing on his knees in rumpled posture. His aged and withered hand
trembled towards a scone at the edge of the table, when it was suddenly
smacked by his wife with a wooden spoon.....
'F*** off' she said, 'they're for the funeral.

DEFENCE NEWS
Hainan high noon shows why subs
are the sharp end
The Great Recession is having at least one positive spin-off for the
navy: recruitment is up and meeting targets.
Which is just as well. The submarine HMAS Farncomb that came into Sydney
Harbour as part of the fleet yesterday is one of just three of the
navy's six Collins Class subs that currently can be crewed at any one
time, despite hefty pay bonuses.
The submarines are the long-range sharp end of the defence forces, with
a potential offensive role that will become even more important when the
F-111 strike bombers are retired next year.
At least until the navy gets its new Spanish-designed air warfare
destroyers, they are Australia's only combat asset that the Americans
see as useful in the war scenario that everyone hopes will not happen -
a fight with China in defence of Taiwan.
In the preliminary lobbying before the Rudd Government's imminent
defence white paper, the navy is signalling that it wants to stay in the
submarine game by starting work on a new generation of ultra-quiet and
otherwise capable boats to replace the Collins subs in a decade or two.
While a lot of attention has focused on the plans of the Chinese and
Indian navies to build their naval air capabilities, events last Sunday
at a point in the South China Sea about 75 nautical miles south of
Hainan suggest the navy's new recruits should think underwater about
their career path.
According to the US Navy, the auxiliary ship Impeccable, manned by a
civilian crew, was carrying out "routine operations" in international
waters. These operations, it emerged, involve towing passive and active
sonar arrays to pick up and record the acoustic signatures of
submarines, detect mines and other obstacles, and generally get to know
the seabed topography. The ship is one of five specially designed
vessels used to assist the navy in this task.
The waters around Hainan are of special interest in two ways. Satellite
images have recently confirmed the building of a big new submarine base
at Yulin on the island, including a cave-dock. Where the Impeccable was
sailing is right in the vast stretch of the South China Sea that China
has long claimed as territorial waters, regardless of the UN Convention
on Law of the Sea and claims by other littoral states.
Five Chinese-flagged vessels - including three government patrol boats
and two trawlers - came close to the Impeccable, cutting across its
bows. When the Impeccable's crew responded with fire hoses, Chinese
crewmen stripped to their underpants to keep up the close-range
jostling.
Compared with the hijacking of the US Navy spy ship Pueblo by the North
Koreans in 1968, or the jostling by Chinese fighter aircraft of the
American EP-3 electronic spy plane in April 2001 - also over the South
China Sea - it was history repeated as farce, with no harm done. But the
incident has analysts all around the Asia-Pacific region worried about
its portents for a more serious challenge.
It followed several incidents in previous days where Chinese coast guard
planes buzzed US surveillance ships. It came shortly after the first
visit to Beijing by the new US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton,
where she said worries about human rights would not halt co-operation in
dealing with the economic crisis. And it came just a few days before the
visit to Washington of the Chinese Foreign Minister, Yang Jiechi, where
he prepared for President Barack Obama's first meeting with the Chinese
President, Hu Jintao, at the G20 summit in London next month.
Hu is also chairman of the Central Military Commission, the top command
of the People's Liberation Army. Either he is trying to test the new
President's mettle, or the Chinese military is doing it off its own bat.
"The reporting points out that the Chinese party involved included one
PLA navy vessel and four civilian vessels from different bureaucracies,
which strongly suggests that this was not a rogue military operation,
but a well-orchestrated joint civil-military undertaking," says Tai Ming
Cheung, an expert on the Chinese military at the University of
California, San Diego.
"The use of fishing trawlers and civilian patrol vessels … harks back to
the People's War at Sea approach to naval defence when you mobilised
civilian assets to overwhelm the enemy."
The motive appears to be to claim territorial sovereignty over the
entire 200-nautical mile exclusive economic zone, giving China the right
to control activity in this zone. Chinese domestic laws and maps assert
this, but have no standing internationally, according to experts on the
Law of the Sea. Chinese territory extends 12 nautical miles from shore,
like that of every other nation.
Up to that boundary, foreign navies can manoeuvre and listen as much as
they like, and the US Navy shows every intention of wanting to exercise
that right to the full.
According to US Navy literature, 30 planned Virginia-class submarines
"will expand on the ability of submarines to operate inside an enemy's
defences not only for surveillance, but to deliver powerful precision
weapons to targets on land or sea". New systems "will build on our
robust deep-ocean capabilities to provide even greater sensitivity to
slow, quiet targets in shallow, coastal waters".
In the EP-3 incident, one Chinese pilot died after colliding with the
bigger and slower American plane, which then limped into Hainan itself
for an emergency landing. The crew was returned after President George
Bush's administration sent a letter now known to the Chinese as the "two
sorries" expressing regret for "the entering of China's air space and
landing without permission".
To the Americans, that meant an apology for the flight into Hainan. To
the Chinese, it meant an acknowledgement the plane was in Chinese air
space when the interception occurred. The Impeccable incident suggests
the Chinese are returning to the issue.
"This appears like an early Chinese effort to establish strategic
maritime bastions in which its submarines and naval forces can operate
without interference from the US," says Cheung.
"The US is adamant not to allow this as it has enjoyed command of the
high seas in the Asia-Pacific for such a long time.
"So these increasingly competitive strategic impulses from the two
navies points to much more friction in the future."
Hamish McDonald Asia-Pacific Editor, March 14, 2009
Toxic SCOGS on HMS Tireless
The oxygen generator that caused a fatal explosion on the submarine HMS
Tireless might have been "recycled" from a toxic dump an inquest as
heard. Two sailors were killed when a self-contained oxygen generator (SCOG)
exploded aboard the Tireless in March 2007 near Alaska. The coroner's
inquest has heard that many of the SCOGs had been contaminated by oil
making them unsafe to use.
In testimony before the inquest yesterday, a naval engineer confirmed
that 20 tonnes of SCOGs on Tireless had been recovered from a hazardous
waste dump in Plymouth. Reusing old SCOGs that had been deemed toxic
would have run the high risk of contamination and ultimately an
explosion, Navy engineer Chris Clark said.
The Royal Navy knew of the source for recycled SCOGs and and was made
aware of the threat of contamination, but proceeded with the SCOGs
anyway. Buying new SCOGs would have been more expensive and taken
longer to deliver.
Navy engineers later determined that 90 of the 294 SCOGs on Tireless
were contaminated. Clark testified that he was under immense pressure to
equip the submarine with as many workable SCOGs as possible at "value
for money." "All civil servants are charged with getting value for money
and therefore eliminating waste. What I saw was an indication we might
be wasting
money." Clark said in testimony. The inquest in Sunderland continues.
Come on Boof and Nigs, let's have dinner.............
Sunday, 8th March 2009
Cyclone Hamish is on it's way and we are
starting to get some wind and rain as a consequence. The
rain will be good for us down South but let's pray it causes
little damage up North. Why would you live there???
I have had an extremely busy week and have not
been home much, hope next few weeks are a little less stressful.
In January the doctor warned me that my sugar
levels were creeping up and unless I did something about it I
was heading for Diabetes 2. I purchased a monitor and have
been recording my levels, hate the little prick needed to
draw blood. I have managed to lose 10 kilo since January.
Still a long way to go before I will be happy with results.
I am starting to look like canned fish and the baked beans are
having an effect, Boof no longer sleeps beside me, choosing to
move closer to the window. Niggs on the other hand likes
farts.
I am pleased to say my grass and gardens are
starting to look good, the effort has been worthwhile.
Have not made any progress inside though, I promised myself I
would re-start the painting next week.
Congratulations
are in order for Roy 'Jumper' and Maria Cross who celebrate
their 40th wedding anniversary today. This day 40 years
ago in Scotland members of Ovens' engineering crew attended a
most unusual wedding in England. Love you both.........
shown here are Dave Hodder, Ray Clarke, Jumper, Bob Marsland,
Chief Stoker, Tom Johnson and Brigham Young.
We had a shooting incident in Bauple this week.
A 93-year-old woman who was particularly despondent over the
recent death of her husband decided that she would just kill
herself and join him in death. Thinking that it would be best to
get it over with quickly, she took out his old Army pistol and
made the decision to shoot herself in the heart, since it was
badly broken in the first place. Not wanting to miss the vital
organ and become a vegetable and a burden to someone, she called
her doctor's office to inquire as to just exactly where the
heart would be on a woman. The doctor said, 'Your heart would be
just below your left breast'. Later that night the woman was
admitted to the hospital with a gunshot wound to her knee.
There are a lot of retirees in Bauple and I've
often been asked by visitors 'What do you old folks do now that
you're retired?' I reply "Well...I'm fortunate to have a
few friends who have chemical engineering backgrounds, and one
of the things we enjoy most is turning beer, wine, scotch, and
gin into urine. And, we're pretty damn good at it, too!
SAA NEWS
Western Australian Branch
Sid Czabotar reports that sponsorship for SUBCON 2009 has been slow and to date we have enough
to cover costs and overheads. We are relooking at the prices and putting
on drinks where we can as money rolls in.
Fund raising activities being organised to
reduce costs may include the sale of Rum Crocks, Photos of Ovens
and maybe SUBCON serviettes. We will also be holding a Raffle
(to be sold over the SUBCON weekend) with a number of prizes. We
have been promised a Western Force Jumper signed by which we
will Auction maybe on E-Bay for maximum Dollar.
Admiral Rank sponsors - Raytheon and ASC
Captain Rank Sponsors - WA Maritime Museum and Babcock INTEC
(formerly (Weir Strachan and Henshaw)
Lieutenant Rank Sponsors - Compuroom
Anyone out there that wants to see their Logo
here by sponsoring with cash or in kind, give Sid a call, it
will be appreciated.
A full update and indicative costs are now available at the
SUBCON 2009 website.
Comatose Branch
Nothing to submit thus far. Thanks for updating our events
calendar date and due to that fact that our 1st meeting, ANZAC
Day and SUBCON being the only other events on the calendar, "In
Depth" contribution / input from us crow eaters for this month
is again lacking, P$#@ poor, nadda, diddly, zip, zilch etc.
Victoria Branch
Boot Hatfield reports "As far as we are aware, all
members have come through the bush fires unscathed. I personally checked
on a couple of them who may have been involved and all is well. Any
update, I'll let you know. Thanks for the thoughts".

AROUND THE TRAPS
"Jock" Hutchison has been the victim of political correctness and never
knew it. He wrote "Until recently nobody knew my
full name. I was talking to my brother in Scotland and found out that it
is politically incorrect to call Scots "Jock" , Irish "Paddy " or Welsh
"Taffy". Seemingly this came about when a certain member of the "Royals"
pretending to be a soldier called another soldier a "Paki". I think this
is a lot of claptrap, but I'll give you permission to call me "Jock",
and I'm sure that many other "Jocks" will agree."
Bill
Hosie, shown here with another elder statesman of the submarine
communiyt jim Moon, asked "I have a
retreaded stoker lives nearby and he is trying to contact Ron Bucci.
They did the Mechs course together, could you contact Ron and tell him
Phill Skinner is looking for him. I wish I were more computer literate
as I should be able to get this info from your magic web site, but I
can't. After all I was only a dib dab and couldn't even get a Coxswains
course." I understand why they would not give you a
Coxswain's course mate, you were intelligent, a nice guy and had the
ability to get promoted on merit.
Michael Russell reports that he is now off the streets
after his 3 ˝ month holiday! He writes "I have
been appointed the Shutdown Manager for Tiwest Northern Operations, at a
Mineral Sands operation 60 kilometres north of Perth. The role that has
a finite life, and as such, will be in the market for a new position
July 2010. The maintenance shutdown is scheduled first half 2010, and
will be quiet a challenge."
A very loud, unattractive, hard-faced woman walks into
Kmart with her two kids in tow, screaming obscenities at them all the
way through the entrance. The door greeter says, 'Good morning and
welcome to Kmart, nice children you've got there. Are they twins?'
The fat ugly woman stops screaming long enough to snarl: 'Of course they
bloody aren't! The oldest is nine and the youngest is seven. Why the
hell would you think they're twins?..... Do you really think they look
alike, you d*ckhead?' 'Absolutely not,' replies the greeter, 'I
just can't believe anyone would shag you twice!'
Derek Lilliman wrote "I have just
had a quick look at your ‘The Mob, then and Now’ and found it very
appropriate in both our navies. I reckon the a copy should be posted on
every notice board in Russell Officers, Canberra in a very large font
and a hundred run off and sent to MOD (Navy). The Admiralty, London. Not
that I think it would do any good as it seems to me that the most
important qualification to be an Admiral or Politician is to be as thick
as a plank of wood (short planks, at that!). I liked some of the
comments by the crew of the Collin’s Class Boats, I wonder how they
would have got on in the Fore Ends of a ‘U’ or ‘V’ boat. All seamen &
stokers living together with NO bunks!"
Dave
(Goldie) Horne is putting last years health problems behind him and is
heading off on 20th March to Vietnam for a 15 day tour starting in Ho
Chi Minh City (Saigon) then up to Hanoi, also an overnight train trip to
Sapa on the Chinese border and return. Pictured is Goldie on his last
trip on the QE2.
"I have just finished
reading the March Log, and I have to say that going by the reports
today's submariners are the biggest pack of whingeing sooks that God
ever shovelled guts into. Chronic sleep deprivation, working up to 11
hours a day! For heavens sake! It just goes to show that you reap what
you sow. The powers that be were told back in the early 90s that
manpower was going to be critical over the next decade, but the
dropkicks with management degrees knew better than the people at the
coal face. Well, its come back to bite them on the arse now. And CN
obviously has not a clue how to deal with the situation. Promising local
area networks and email alongside! Does any real submariner need that
shit? Better by far to remove the soulless, but ever so touchy
feely politically correct ethos and replace it with the proper
submariners esprit de corps and the right people will be attracted to
the job – problem solved. End of rant – perhaps I should not have read
this after several beers!" This was the sentiment of quite
a few but I have not divulged the name of this author to avoid him being
slagged. Unfortunately today's sailor is from a different era. And yes,
without the internet and mobile phones they would be lost.
Sandy
Freeleagus commented "I read with interest in
latest Log about the replacement for the Collins Class. Talk about déjŕ
vu, as this was my last job in Navy Office (that great inland Bermuda
Triangle where reports and personnel go - then are lost forever) before
I paid off.
Being the DSMR's first Warrant Officer, I was given the grand title of
"Special Projects Officer" (a term invented just for me as they didn't
know what to do with me or what I was supposed to do). I was given the
"New Submarine Construction Project" as one of my tasks. So all
operational and technical data came to my desk from all the contenders,
that I had to sort out (in longhand as there were no such things as PCs
in those days). It was interesting stuff. What was interesting was when
I paid off, the Mob was down to the final three contenders - the Vickers
2400 (that became the UPHOLDER Class), the German ILK 1400 (considered
too cramped for further equipment expansion) and the Dutch WALRUS Class
- a goer in all respects, only the seaman officers didn't like the 4
tubes instead of 6. (What was the ultimate boat was the Japanese 3rd
generation version of the Yank BARBEL Class, but because they lost the
war, they weren't allowed to export any military equipment).
Some months after I paid off, I read that Kockums got the nod from the
then Labor government. Up until then they hadn't even put in a quote. So
I guess if things remain the same, let's cut the paperwork crap and get
the government to select the new boat for us regardless of (envisaged)
performance and RAN input right from the start.
I also read where the COLLINS Class poppets are suffering from sleep
deprivation. Let them wait until they have paid off for 28 years and
still suffer from sleep deprivation. Then I'll feel for them.
They also said they were bored at sea. That is easily fixed in two
parts: (1) let them fix their own defects and (2) ditch the electronic
consoles and go back to things like the CEP where you could draw all
over it and pass a pleasant watch defacing the graph paper or (if you
were game) the chart. I remember one bored watch, I penciled in a coffee
stain on the chart. I gave it contour lines, roads, townships, rocky
coastline and even named points and towns. Only trouble was I forgot to
rub it out when I went off watch. Jesus, didn't I get reamed over that
one!!!
Our (OBERONers) saving grace was that we were "banned" and segregated
from the rest of the navy and referred to as "McHale's Navy" - which we
were. These poor sods in the COLLINS Class are integrated into the
surface navy and don't feel "apart" or someone special. And how they can
say the money is insufficient is beyond me.
Thank God I was in OBERONs (pre SWUP) where I wore overies and steamin'
bats that left little oil rings on the administration building polished
deck whenever I was required to report there (generally to explain my
part in something or other of which I was totally innocent). I would not
like to be in today's navy."
Sandy was a SAP and asks "Would today's
psychologists allow the navy to call me a SAP ? It might scar me for
life)."
John
'Boot' Hatfield was another that commented
"I couldn't agree more with your 'aside' comment on diesel dinosaurs on
Up Periscope. Political correctness and the move away from the 'old way'
of submariners has - in my opinion - done a lot of damage. Submariners
will always be submariners, no matter what class of boat we're on. Why
can't 'gen's' get it - we ARE different, thank goodness, that's what
makes us submariners.. We all have that bit of a twist and we all matter
to each other, I'm afraid 'gen's' will never get that from us. That's
why they probably want submariners to assimilate with the skimmers - so
THEY can get what we already have. Wear Them With Pride."
Tim McCombe, National President of the Vietnam Veterans'
Federation, said members of the federation assisted in the making of a
music video for a new version of ‘I Was Only 19’ by a group called ‘The
Herd’. The music video went straight to number 1, staying there for many
weeks, so that many hundreds of thousands of young people viewed it. A
documentary on the making of that video, including the VVF input, will
be shown on TV ABC2 at 10pm on Monday 16th March.
An Irishman applying for a job as a blacksmith was asked
if he has any experience shoeing horses. He said no but he had told a
donkey to piss off once.
Rod and Pat Peters are still enjoying their NZ odyssey
as the three email will attest "Only 3 days to go,
we went whale and dolphin watching today but only the dolphins turned up
but it was a great day. Tomorrow we are in the Bay of Islands and have
nothing planned so we will go ashore and play it by ear. Pat has taken a
million pictures to bore every one to death with when we have our slide
night." This was followed up with
"Well the last day ashore and instead of the bright sunny Bay of Islands
its raining, but we suppose two wet days of the holiday isn't to bad. We
still managed to have fun, went on a fast adventure boat ride, around
the bay and out to the hole in the rock, and yes we got soaked to the
skin again even though they gave us supposed wet weather gear. We got
some more good photos to add to the showing. Sailing for home tonight,
will be sad to see the trip end." And finally
"Well its our last day, the sun is out, but the
sea is running at about 5 metres, we will survive. Its been a great
trip, we will be doing another cruise to the pacific islands and Hawaii
next year."
Peter 'Cheggers' Chegwick wrote
"One thing about moving means some things come to the surface. I hope
that you are able to use them in the log. The Onslow crew photo was
taken after the Onslow engine run on accident. Ben Benevante was Coxn
and I took over from him a week later."
Recent visitor to Oz, Kevin Errington wrote "Just
back from my trip Downunder and we had a great time. I visited the
museum in Sydney and spent a happy hour or so on the Onslow. The guides
were very helpful etc but sadly non were ex boats. I did end up talking
to the other visitors about life on an O boat and the guides thanked me
for the info and dits etc. I gave 2 models to the museum admin
guys and said they could do with them what they wanted, the model maker
there said they might knock a few out and see how they fare selling
them. I saw the Ovens in Freemantle but didn't go on it as it was
closing.
Nice to see both boats in such good nick, unlike the Alliance sadly."
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Welcome to World's Greatest
Shave -12th to 19th March 2009
The Leukaemia Foundation World’s Greatest Shave is one of Australia’s
biggest fundraising events. 100,000 people across the country will shave
or colour their hair. The funds raised will help the Leukaemia
Foundation to continue providing practical care and support to patients
and families living with leukaemias, lymphomas, myeloma and related
blood disorders. It will also fund research into better treatments and
hopefully cures. the following are participating, please consider
contacting them with a donation:
Vicki Atkinson
Everest Virtual Challenge Carol Wilson still needs members for her team in
the
Everest Virtual Challenge. She said
"It is not like last year where we walked together. The idea is
that we are each supplied a pedometer from the organisers and we
walk where we like then go on line and add our steps to our team
on a daily basis. If you aren’t able to join the team then would
you like to sponsor/donate to the team members that include
myself, John O’Brien, Ken Chilvers and Possum and a local
Beenleigh identity Dennis Wey." I know things
are tight, but this IS a good cause. Please consider
joining the team or making a small donation.
Andy Rooney on sex
1. When I was born, I was given a choice - a big dick or a good
memory....I don't remember what I chose.
2. Your birth certificate is an apology letter from the condom factory.
3. A wife is a sex object. Every time you ask for sex, she objects.
4. Impotence: nature's way of saying, "No hard feelings..."
5. There are only two four letter words that are offensive to men -
'don't' and 'stop', unless they are used together.
6. Panties: not the best thing on earth, but next to the best thing on
earth.
7. There are three stages in a man's life: Tri-Weekly, Try Weekly and
Try Weakly.
8. Virginity can be cured.
9. Virginity is not dignity, it's lack of opportunity.
10. Having sex is like playing bridge - if you don't have a good
partner, you better have a good hand.
11. I tried phone sex once, but the holes in the dialer were too small.
12. Marriage is the only war where you get to sleep with the enemy.
13. Question: What's an Australian kiss? Answer: The same thing as a
French kiss, only down under.
14. A couple just married were happy with the whole thing. He was happy
with the Hole and she was happy with the Thing.
15. Question: What are the three biggest tragedies in a man's life?
Answer: Life sucks, job sucks and the wife doesn't.
16. Question: Why do men find it difficult to make eye contact? Answer:
Breasts don't have eyes.
17. Despite the old saying, 'Don't take your troubles to bed', many men
still sleep with their wives!

HEALTH MATTERS
What is Diabetes?
Diabetes is a chronic disease. This means that it lasts for a long
time, often for someone's whole life. For our bodies to work properly we
need to convert glucose (sugar) from food into energy. A hormone called
insulin is essential for the conversion of glucose into energy.
In people with diabetes, insulin is no longer produced or not produced
in sufficient amounts by the body.
So when people with diabetes eat glucose, which is in foods such as
breads, cereals, fruit and starchy vegetables, legumes, milk, yoghurt
and sweets, it can’t be converted into energy. Instead of being turned
into energy the glucose stays in the blood. This is why blood glucose
levels are higher in people with diabetes.
Glucose is carried around your body in your blood. Your blood glucose
level is called glycaemia.
Type 2 Diabetes
Type 2 is the most common form of diabetes, affecting 85-90% of all
people with diabetes. While it usually affects older adults, more and
more younger people, even children, are getting type 2 diabetes.
In type 2 diabetes, the pancreas makes some insulin but it is not
produced in the amount your body needs and it does not work effectively.
Type 2 diabetes results from a combination of genetic and environmental
factors. Although there is a strong genetic predisposition, the risk is
greatly increased when associated with lifestyle factors such as high
blood pressure, overweight or obesity, insufficient physical activity,
poor diet and the classic ‘apple shape’ body where extra weight is
carried around the waist.
Type 2 diabetes can often initially be managed with healthy eating and
regular physical activity. However, over time most people with type 2
diabetes will also need tablets and many will also need insulin. It is
important to note that this is just the natural progression of the
disease, and taking tablets or insulin as soon as they are required can
result in fewer complications in the long-term.
There is currently no cure for type 2 diabetes.
Color test . . . Not so Easy
These are the things we're supposed to do to remove the cholesterol from
around our brains and try to slow up Alzheimer's. I think it took me
several times before I finally got this brain of mine to concentrate. A
great test. Do it until you get 100%! Bet you can't get 100% on the
first try! But I'm rooting for ya. It takes an average of 5 tries to get
to 100%. Follow the directions! It's harder than it seems, as it should
be. A brain waker-upper for today! Click Here: >>
The Color Test
Doctors' Opinion of Financial Bail Out Package
The Allergists voted to scratch it, and the Dermatologists advised not
to make any rash moves.
The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the
Neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve, and the
Obstetricians felt they were all laboring under a misconception.
The Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted;

The Pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!" while the
Pediatricians said, 'Oh, Grow up!'
The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness,
The Radiologists could see right through it, and the
Surgeons decided to wash their hands off the whole thing.
The Internists thought it was a bitter pill to swallow, and the
Plastic Surgeons said, "This puts a whole new face on the matter."
The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the
Urologists felt the scheme wouldn't hold water.
The Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and the
Cardiologists didn't have the heart to say no.
In the end, the Proctologists left the decision up to some assholes in
Canberra.
VETERAN'S AFFAIRS
The first issue of
e-News from the Department of Veterans’ Affairs now available online
In this issue:
Dunt mental health and suicide reports handed to the Government
Vietnam Veterans’ Family Study – Army Personnel 1962–75 sought
Deeming rate reduction for veterans with investment income
Changes to the Partner Service Pension
Training Information Program 2009 course schedule
Heart Health program starting up in 2009
E-News is a monthly electronic newsletter service
keeping you up-to-date with information from the Department of Veterans'
Affairs. If you, a friend or colleague would like to receive e-News, you
can subscribe by sending an email to
e-news-subscribe@dvalists.aaa.net.au with the word SUBSCRIBE in the
subject field. Once joined, they will receive a confirmation by email.
New Deeming Rate for Veterans
Many veterans will benefit from the Australian Government's decision
today to further reduce deeming rates. Minister for Veterans' Affairs
Alan Griffin said the deeming rate will drop from 3 per cent to 2 per
cent for the first $41,000 of a single pensioner's financial investments
($68,200 for a couple). It will also reduce from 4 per cent to 3 per
cent for the balance of financial investments over these amounts.
"The Government has taken action to reflect the unique economic
environment Australians are facing, ensuring pensioners and social
security recipients who rely on own-source income receive some financial
relief," Mr Griffin said. "The lower deeming rates will assist
veterans during these difficult financial times."
The changes are effective from 20 March and will be included in payments
made from 26 March 2009.
Department of Veterans' Affairs payments affected by the deeming rate
include service pensions and the income support supplement.
This is the third reduction in the deeming rates since November 2008.
Deeming rates are now half what they were for much of last year and are
at their lowest since 2004.
The lowering of the deeming rates means that part rate pensioners paid
under the income test, with financial investments mainly in term
deposits, shares, managed investments and other accounts, may receive an
increase in their pension payments, to reflect the reduction in their
assessable income. Veterans already paid at the maximum rate are not
affected by the deeming change. The value of listed shares and
securities will also be re-valued from 20 March.
The impact of these changes is dependent on the person's individual
circumstances. DVA pensioners who would like further information should
contact the Department on 133 254.
Commenting on Discharge Certificates Bill Krause said
"There are those among you who don’t have one or need to update.
Certificates given today are worthy of framing and are a big improvement
on the "Certificate" that most of us received, a piece of paper with our
enlistment details. As many of you have received medals since
discharging you should apply for an updated Certificate that lists your
Awards. The address for details is available at the Navy
website.
Ray Kemp has received a letter from Warren
Snowden via Annette Hurley re the upgrade to the ASM fo SM
Special Operations. Ray said "After
putting in my submission I wrote to all SA federal members and
Senators. I have very few replies from nearly 2 dozen letters. I
must say the members for Port Adelaide has been very good and is
in regular contact. He is also in contact with 2 other members
of the Association." The letter was similar to all
those that have been received before....... being looked at by
Defence with high priority etc etc etc.
Here is an actual sign posted at a golf club in
Scottsdale , Arizona:
1. BACK STRAIGHT, KNEES BENT, FEET SHOULDER
WIDTH APART.
2. FORM A LOOSE GRIP.
3. KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN!
4. AVOID A QUICK BACK SWING.
5. STAY OUT OF THE WATER.
6. TRY NOT TO HIT ANYONE.
7. IF YOU ARE TAKING TOO LONG, LET OTHERS GO AHEAD OF YOU.
8. DON'T STAND DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF OTHERS.
9. QUIET PLEASE... WHILE OTHERS ARE PREPARING.
10. DON'T TAKE EXTRA STROKES.
WELL DONE. NOW, FLUSH THE URINAL, GO OUTSIDE, & TEE OFF.
DEFENCE NEWS
As Congress prepares budget, sub suppliers look
to secure funding
Washington - It was hard to miss the victorious mood at Thursday's
Submarine Industrial Base Council breakfast, where submarine builders
and suppliers from across the country mingled with members of Congress
to kick off a day of visits to members' offices on Capitol Hill. Last
year's record-breaking $14 billion contract for eight new Virginia-class
submarines, to be built in part by Groton's Electric Boat, was cause for
celebration and record-breaking turnout at the council's 17th annual
meeting, organizers said. ”The feeling in the room was definitely much
more upbeat,” said Rep. Joe Courtney, D-2nd District, who spoke to the
nearly 200 attendees.
But there wasn't much time to rest on their laurels. With President
Barack Obama's proposed budget still vague on defense spending - and
with more-immediate priorities looming in the midst of the economic
crisis - industry representatives came to Washington prepared to push
for two new priorities: increased funds for research and development and
a program to design a replacement for the aging Ohio-class Trident
submarine. ”Even though awards have been made … the new administration
has put a hold on everything,” said the council's co-chairman, Dan
DePompei of DRS Power Technology in Fitchburg, Mass. “Block 3 funding
[for the Virginia-class subs] is pretty safe, but R&D could be
questioned.”
Obama's budget outline would set the Defense Department's basic budget,
which excludes war costs, at $533.7 billion - a 4 percent increase over
this year that barely keeps pace with inflation. By contrast, George W.
Bush increased the department's budget by 74 percent from 2001 to 2008.
After an era of heightened spending and ambitious defense projects,
council members said, they must now market their services as long-term
investments in the country's economic prosperity and national security.
”There is an economic impact across the country for what we do, and we
need to reinforce that message with Congress,” Electric Boat President
John P. Casey said in an interview. He said Congress and the Navy
need to start thinking now about replacing the Ohio-class submarines,
the first of which is set to be retired in 2029. ”We're not early, we're
not late, but we need to start now,” Casey said.
Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., stressed the urgency of keeping
research-and-development funding levels high to keep pace with emerging
naval powers like China. ”If you have any doubts about whether this is
Cold War technology, just ask other nations that are eager for this
technology,” Dodd said after speaking to the council. “It would be
awfully shortsighted to find out the whole world was right and we were
wrong.”
Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Fla., the senior Republican on the House Defense
Appropriations Subcommittee, assured the council audience that Navy
procurement programs would not face the chopping block when Congress
starts debating the budget in April. ”The Appropriations Committee will
be supporting these programs, and we're looking forward to that Trident
submarine,” Young said to applause.
Rep. Jim Langevin, D-R.I., cautioned that as the Navy falls behind in
the number of submarines in its fleet, the submarine industry must work
even harder to ensure that Congress will pay for the “complex
engineering and precise craftsmanship” necessary for an updated fleet.
”We can't take it for granted that other members of Congress are as
passionate and knowledgeable as we are about submarines,” said Langevin,
co-chairman of the Congressional Submarine Caucus.
France Builds A U-Boat
French submarine builder DCNS is now selling a new coastal boat, the
Andrasta class. This is an 855 ton, 153 foot long sub, with a crew of 19
(plus 8 passengers, usually commandos). The boat can stay underwater for
up to five days. Surfaced, it can travel up to 5,400 kilometers, at slow
(170 kilometers a day) speed. There are sufficient supplies on board to
keep the boat out up to 30 days. Most missions are expected to be more
like two weeks. The boat has six forward firing torpedo tubes, which can
also carry mines or anti-ship missiles. There are no reloads, all the
weapons are stored in the torpedo tubes. There is a special chamber for
letting divers exit the boat while underwater.
The Andrasta is similar in size to the 769 ton German World War II Type
VII boat, which was the most widely used (700 built) sub during the
Battle of the Atlantic. The Type VII was longer (220 feet) and thinner,
and didn't have all the electronics of the Andrasta, or all the
automation. Thus the Type VII had a crew of 50 and carried 14 torpedoes
(used in five tubes), plus an 88mm deck gun (and 220 shells). Moreover,
the Type VII could only spend about one day underwater, although it had
a surfaced range of 15,000 kilometers.
The Andrasta is built to be quiet, and use its powerful passive sonar to
detect surface ships or subs, and use its heavy torpedoes to destroy
them. The Andrastas cost less than $200 million each (half the price of
most normal size subs), and are attractive boats for nations wanting to
use submarines mainly as defensive weapons.
1,000th Trident Patrol
The Navy's top leaders and the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff were among senior officials who paid tribute to the crew of the
USS Wyoming Trident strategic missile submarine during at Naval
Submarine Base Kings Bay Feb. 19.
The USS Wyoming finished its 38th patrol on Feb. 11, marking the 1,000th
completed patrol of a Trident submarine since the first, the USS Ohio,
embarked on its initial patrol in October 1982. The Wyoming was
commissioned in July 1996 and began its first patrol in August 1997.
Secretary of the Navy Donald C. Winter said he was honored to
participate in the commemoration of the 1,000th Trident patrol, noting
the occasion "is a great day for our Navy and our nation." U.S. Rep.
Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) also attended the ceremony.
Although the world has experienced many conflicts since the end of World
War II in 1945, Winter said, America's strategic deterrent "has ensured
that none of them became major wars."
Some peopl thought the Trident mission would end with the 1991 collapse
of the Soviet Union. However, the world continues to be a dangerous
place, noting that the missions of the Tridents and other submarines
"are as equally important today, as they ever were during the height of
the Cold War."
Eternal Patrol
LCDR Mike Cordner RAN lost his battle with cancer and passed away
early February. His funeral was held on the 10th February , at the Naval
Air Museum, HMAS Albatross, Nowra.
John Horlock also lost his battle with cancer in Victoria on
Monday, 9th February at 0900. John left the Royal Navy as a
Telegraphist and migrated to Australia to settle in Victoria. He joined
the Association in May 1988.
Note: Apologies for delay in reporting in the Log, data mislaid
in PC malfunction. An obituary for John Horlock appears later in this
edition of the Log.
Come on Boof and Niggs, let's nap before the rain comes.............
Sunday, 1st March 2009
Another week without my computer, thanks Lenovo.
I actually had to void my warranty to get it fixed, there are no
accredited IBM service agents within a thousand mile of
Bauple................ As a result I am miles behind with my
email and SAA business. With luck I will catch up next
week. If you sent an email that requires a response and
you do not get one this week, please let me know.
My new lawn is looking great and the new trees
and plants are still alive (for now) so I am a little happier
with all things green. Things brown is another matter.
This week a smell started to permeate the air and turned out to
be the new septic tanks. I could not track down where it was
coming from as it was as if someone had farted in a lift, the
smell filled every inch of my yard. After three days the
plumber turned up and discovered that a seal in the holding tank
was missing. All fixed now and i can return to the
yard.....
As I mentioned last week Channel 7's Sunday show
will soon air a segment based on the HMAS Onslow incident that
resulted in the death of Christopher Passlow and long term
health problems for many of the crew. I personally do not
agree that, after nearly thirty years, that airing this is would
be of any benefit to anyone. I had many calls from ex crew
that had been approached and suggested that the show would
proceed with or without them and that the involvement with the
crew may ensure that a balance is given to the story.
What did surprise me was the stories that surfaced and
it seems that the DVA has not been consistent with it's dealings with
the crew and some have not been compensated for problems that others
have received a benefit. Maybe the story going to air may help
with their claims?
This has taken ages to compile and I have not used all the information
in my email in box, so forgive me if something you sent me still has not
appeared, I will get around to it as soon as possible.

SAA NEWS
National
Not having
access to a computer again this week really slowed things down
and it is going to take a few days to catch up. If you
have something urgent that i have not addressed please contact
me.
I will resume updating our records as we have a long way to go
before i have captured all the information that I want, stand by
to receive an email from me requesting information.
Both the president and I received requests to talk about why
there is a shortage of submariners from Radio 2UE in Sydney this
week, but declined and referred them to the SMFEG so that they
could talk to 'the new breed' that are so unhappy, poor little
things, not us Oberon dinosaurs that seemed to be happy with our
lot most of the time. But then again, we served before the
political correctness police took over and the boats moved to
the west and had to 'assimilate' into the real Navy!
SAA Membership applications have slowed down, where is YOURS?
You know it makes sense, get in while we have vacancies.
The March issue of In Depth is currently been compiled and in
line with our new policy I am requesting articles of interest
for inclusion. Send me yours now.
CAPT Chris Skinner RAN (rtd)
reports that a Memorandum of Understanding [MOU]
is in advanced stages of negotiation between Defence and the
Sydney Harbour Federation Trust [SHFT] for the HMAS Platypus
site covering the decontamination and other public works. If
federal funding is made available in the May budget than work
should start in 2009/2010.
The Trust Defence History Committee has noted a proposal to
erect on the site a memorial to submariners who have lost their
lives while serving in Australian submarines. An Oberon anchor
has been offered to form part of the memorial but there is still
need for the location within the site and design of the memorial
to be developed and agreed. There may need to be some
fundraising to complete the memorial
Chris said "I would be grateful if the SAA
would decide to take a leading role in this activity and beyond
that to make further suggestions on which matters of historical
and personal history from Platypus should be displayed to the
general public. I would expect a wealth of photographs collected
by members of the SAA and I hope that some of them might be
copied for the displays.
The Trust has agreed to consider the holding of a weekend
ceremony on the 42nd anniversary of HMAS Platypus commissioning
and the arrival of HMAS Oxley (2) on 18 August 1967
I am happy to be the point of contact for this although the SAA
should feel very welcome to engage with the Trust directly at
any time. The SAA is well known to the Trust Community Liaison
staff who acknowledge the interest and efforts of the SAA. So
over to you"
Watch this space for further developments.

Acting National Secretary
Visit the
Events
page regularly to see what is on in your state. Try and
turn up for at least one function or meeting this year, visitors always
welcome.
Western Australian Branch
A full update and indicative costs are now available at the
SUBCON 2009 website.
Victoria Branch
Boot Hatfield reports "As far as we are aware, all
members have come through the bush fires unscathed. I personally checked
on a couple of them who may have been involved and all is well. Any
update, I'll let you know. Thanks for the thoughts".

AROUND THE TRAPS
R 252354Z FEB 09
FM CN AUSTRALIA
TO ALL SHIP ALL SHORE ALL OVERSEAS
SUBJECT: SUBMARINE WORKFORCE REFORMS
1. RECENT MEDIA REPORTING HAS FOCUSED ON CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH
SUSTAINING AUSTRALIA'S COLLINS CLASS SUBMARINE CAPABILITY. IN
PARTICULAR, THIS REPORTING NOTES THE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED
WITH RECRUITING AND RETAINING PEOPLE IN OUR SUBMARINE
FORCE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
2. THE PURPOSE OF THIS MESSAGE IS TO TELL YOU WHAT I AM DOING TO PUT THE
SUBMARINE FORCE BACK ONTO AN EVEN KEEL SO THAT IT CAN SUSTAINABLY
DELIVER CAPABILITY INTO THE FUTURE.
3. LAST YEAR MY PREDECESSOR COMMISSIONED REAR ADMIRAL MOFFITT TO
UNDERTAKE A COMPREHENSIVE SUSTAINABILITY REVIEW OF THE SUBMARINE
SERVICE. I ACCEPTED ADMIRAL MOFFITT'S REPORT AND HAVE TAKEN ACTION TO
IMPLEMENT SEVERAL OF HIS RECOMMENDATIONS IMMEDIATELY. THESE INCLUDE:
A. NEW CREWING ARRANGEMENTS FOR OUR SUBMARINES. THESE HAVE BEEN
IMPLEMENTED IN HMAS FARNCOMB AND WILL BE ROLLED OUT IN COLLINS AND
WALLER LATER THIS YEAR. RELATED TO THIS WILL BE A MORE EFFECTIVE SHORE
SUPPORT GROUP TO IMPROVE WORKING CONDITIONS.
B. INSTALLING A LOCAL AREA COMPUTER NETWORK IN EACH SUBMARINE SO THAT
CREW MEMBERS CAN HAVE ACCESS TO EMAIL AND WEB SERVICES WHEN THEIR
SUBMARINES ARE ALONGSIDE IN PORT.
C. INVESTIGATING MOVING THE SUBMARINE COMMUNICATIONS CENTRE FROM ITS
PRESENT LOCATION IN EASTERN AUSTRALIA TO FLEET BASE WEST.
4. I HAVE APPOINTED THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF NAVY TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR
COORDINATING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE REVIEW’S RECOMMENDATIONS, AS PART
OF HIS LEADERSHIP OF WIDER NAVY REFORMS UNDER MY NEW GENERATION NAVY
INITIATIVE. MANY OF THE REFORMS WE WILL INTRODUCE TO OUR SUBMARINE
SERVICE ARE APPLICABLE TO THE WIDER NAVY.
5. SPECIFIC REFORMS WILL SEEK TO IMPROVE SUBMARINER RECRUITMENT AND
RETENTION, ACCOMMODATION STANDARDS FOR DEPLOYED CREW MEMBERS, AND
TRAINING AND CAREER MANAGEMENT ARRANGEMENTS FOR SUBMARINERS. THE
DEDICATED MEN AND WOMEN WHO CREW OUR SUBMARINES ARE WIDELY REGARDED AS
AMONG THE BEST IN THE WORLD AND MY AIM IS TO PROVIDE WORLD CLASS SUPPORT
FOR THEM.
6. THESE REFORMS WILL TAKE TIME TO IMPLEMENT AND WILL REQUIRE ALL OF US
IN THE NAVY, NOT JUST OUR SUBMARINERS, TO WORK TOGETHER PATIENTLY TO
ACHIEVE RESULTS.
7. I THANK RADM MOFFITT FOR HIS REPORT AND I ESPECIALLY THANK THE MANY
PEOPLE WHO TOOK THE TIME AND EFFORT TO CONTRIBUTE THEIR IDEAS TO
SOMETHING THEY BELIEVE IN - A FIRST CLASS AUSTRALIAN SUBMARINE.
BT
I owe Graeme 'Klepo' Klepzig an apology, I stuffed up badly. He wrote
"Hey mate just read the Log, you must have
stoker's disease, it was my father that passed away. My mum is only 62
and still firing on all cylinders and more, many more years ahead of
her. Thanks again mate, as I said you know whom your friends are at
these times and to all that suffered in the last few weeks my thoughts
are with them all."
SA
Member Mike Bell is one of a number of SAA Members that has been
deployed toVictoria with the CFS/CES to do his bit fighting the fires in
Victoria. We owe mike and all other members of volunteer
organisations a huge vote of thanks for their efforts.
I volunteered to join our local brigade but was advised
that they had enough problems already!
Victorian Member Angus Bartlett-Bragg reported "I
disembarked in Sydney on Thursday from the Queen Mary 2 and in submarine
parlance it is a damned big target! The Commodore informed us that her
own displacement is just a touch greater than the combined displacements
of the Queen Mary and the QE2. Amazing what they build these days.
I greatly enjoyed a two and a half week voyage transiting the Pacific in
the very best of company. Interestingly I found two members of the SAA
on board the QM2 and we became very good friends. One was Mick Dunne, a
navigator I think, of Brisbane, the other Tony Maddock, P.O. Tel., of
Sydney. I lost Mick in the last stages of the voyage, perhaps he
absconded with one of those charming Samoan lovelies, whilst Tony and I
had many brief encounters." Yes, the QM2 looked very
impressive entering Sydney.
Angus continued "I see that the Vanguard/Le
Triomphant incident was far more serious than first thought. Admiral
Jonathan Band (I sat at his table at the 2005 Trafalgar Bi-Centenary
Dinner at Greenwich) has the inquiry underway. Perhaps we will learn
more, perhaps not!"
Stu
'Milly' Milburn sent this photo and wrote "I came
across an old photo taken when Fred Fisher, Terry Code, Bob West and I went to
Forbes, NSW for "Pommy" Walters wedding in May 1984. It feels like an
eternity ago. Now I have swapped the booze and dolphins for
antidepressants and part time Buddhist robes."
Neil Wallace has gone jet setting, not to Bali or some other holiday
Mecca for the plebs, he will be on leave in Europe from 28th Feb to
Sunday 29th March inclusive. Enjoy it mate!
I received the following from Rod Peters, it confused me a little as I
was not aware that they had 'sailed' away... "Day
3 and its a bit choppy in the Tasman but us sailors can handle a bit of
a rough sea Pat has not thrown up yet but she looked a bit green on the
first night, but it might have been a reflection from the water. We are
having a great time, this is the way to take a holiday you can do as
little or as much as you like. It is a bit on the cool side at the
moment but it should get warmer as we travel up the coast, more news as
it happens."
On receiving Rod's email I sought further details and it turns out that
they are cruising on the good ship Dawn Princess around NZ.
"Went jet boating and it was magic and yes we did
get wet. In Wellington yesterday and saw more rain than we have seen in
3 years, so we walked in it. In Napier today and the sun was out again
and we had a good look round at a really lovely city."
Terry Coyote Wyatt
(shown hear listening intently to Fred Butcher) has surfaced after having surgery.
"Tell Helen about computers, they run when she
goes into the shop, we have lost then recover work etc, I think we know
the feeling. Lucky you talk nicely to the dogs and not put fists thru
machine. I was in Dock Yard hands for six days. Having had two emergency
Dockings, my doc finally got down to removing a Synovial Cyst, then back
filling with bone from my Left Hip. Today I had the dressing
removed for the last time, I have been fortunate to have walked with in
hours of the Op, but will now go into a long slow Work Up, NO Driving
till end April. Nurse Helen has been a tower of strength. I woke
up after the 21/2 Op to be faced with an Evil Little Part Three who I
gave no more a hard time than most, ABROESSM (later POROSESM)
Wayne (Shorty ) Donnelly, he was one of the recovery team. On Saturday
we went over to his house during my couple of hours up time, it was
great, it more than 25 years since we seen each other."
Idiot of the trip award goes too............. Brett Hinton recalls
"Just before we dived to go on patrol, it was
decided to have a BBQ on the casing. Well, the Coxswain got out the
tinned sausages he had procured in Greece a couple of years ago, but
that is not the subject of this story. We were having a couple of beers
when a young greenie (electrician) asked the wicked XO of the west if he
could bring up some "gashies" (spare beer). Give the XO his due he
tried to ignore the young greenie but the greenie kept pestering. The XO
finally asked "What gashies" to which the answer was "There are 23 in
our mess but only about half drink (hard to fathom I know). That means
we get 46 cans per day but only drink about 2/3 of them. The rest we
"store" for Ron (later on)." The next day, both junior messes were
searched and an enormous quantity of "gashies" were found hidden in all
sorts of unlikely places. These were confiscated. The greenie was duly
awarded the idiot of the trip award as nothing could top that effort."
Charlie walks into his bedroom with a sheep under his arm and says:
'Darling, this is the pig I have sex with when you have a headache.' His
wife is lying in bed and replies: 'I think you'll find that's a sheep,
you idiot.' The man says: 'I think you'll find that I wasn't talking to
you.'
It is good to hear from names from the past and many of you that stood
by submarines in Scotland may recall that of Campbell Conn. He
wrote to advise of an updated email address and said
"Thank you for all your update emails. From the 80 year old ex engineer
submarine manager of Scotts Shipbuilding & Engineering Co., Greenock.
Good old O Boats."
Can you help?
Ray Andrews passed a message requesting a picture of one of
the O class subs from Donna Reggett, as her dad has Alzheimer's and she
is making a montage for him before he completely forgets who he is
(click image for larger image).
Her dad's name is Malcolm 'Jock' Campbell ex CPOMTPSM. She remembers him mentioning Otway and Onslow and thinks they
were in UK from 1966 to 1969, the last two years in Beresden Dumbarton
then Helensborough Scotland.
Donna said "My dad is just 72 years old and has
Alzheimer's. Curiosity has me wondering if the Submarine environment
could have had anything to do with this. (I am sure his alcohol
consumption would have contributed) Just how often did you guys hit your
head?? How many submariners get dementia? It wont make any
difference to my dad now as he is stuck in the UK and will die there
now, DVA benefits are of no use there, but maybe it could help others
with dementia here."
Ray
said "Donna was very young at the time and the
reason I feel she needs help with this is Donna is an amazing young
woman that sits on the Prime Ministerial Advisory Council. Her Partner
is a long serving RAAF veteran. She is the current State Secretary of
Aust Peacekeeper and Peacemakers Veteran Association and a member of the
National Treatment Monitoring Committee (NATMOC). Donna is also a
Level 3 Advocate for veteran and ex-service community as a pensions and
welfare advocate. She has put herself though Uni to do all she can to
help veterans and their families These are only a few of the things
Donna does to help the veteran community. I feel we could help her do
this for her dad." Can you help? I recall Jock but my memory has let me down. If anyone has any
information (or photos) of Jock could you please
contact me.
Greg Peake asks
"I have been looking for an old mate of mine,
Boots Dagg. We were PO greenies together on the old Supply in 72-74 when
he decided he wanted a change of life style and joined you lot. The last
I saw of him was he was on the Otway (I think) in EnZed in 75. Thanking
you very kindly, any info would be greatly appreciated."
Can you help?
Finding Australia’s First
Submarine Incorporated Commander John Foster
OAM, RAN (Rtd) is seeking financial assistance on behalf of
Finding Australia’s First Submarine Incorporated
for the forthcoming expedition that will hopefully conclude the
long search for HMA Submarine AE1.
The April expedition, now in its final
stages of planning, has a very good chance of success. The site to be
examined was reported by Mr George Tyers nearly 40 years ago but has
been dismissed over the years as George’s credibility about being able
to scuba dive to well over 100 metres was very much in question.
Furthermore, operations of the day pointed towards the submarine
returning to the anchorage HMAS Encounter was in for the
bombardment of the Toma ridges. The old cruiser had the necessary
workshop support required by AE1 to effect repairs on her return from
patrol.
After many years of pressing National
Archives, the original Deck Logs of
Encounter have now been located and they show that she
actually returned to Rabaul Harbour at sunset. It is now assumed Lt Cdr
Besant would have known this and shaped course to her changed location.
The submarine’s passage there was likely to have passed over the Tyers
position.
Naturally there is some considerable expense involved with
airfares, accommodation, boat charter and the important
freighting of expensive dive equipment. This amounts to nearly
$40,000 dollars, including $4000 set aside for contingencies. We
have raised nearly $26000 so far through personal contributions
of the team members themselves and some donations from
interested members of the public. The National Geographic
magazine has agreed to sponsorship of $5000.
If anyone out there wants to make
a small personal contribution or a contribution on behalf of
their Association or Company I am sure that it will be
appreciated. Contact
CMDR Foster if you
can help.
Carol Wilson has signed on for the
on-line Everest Challenge happening this year, and she says that it
might be something our Members would be interested in participating in.
After walking from from Coolangatta to Canberra it was thought she might
want to climb to the top of Mount Everest!! The way the Challenge works
is you get together a team of up to 15 people (or Time Warp dancers??).
Registration is $25 per person, and the organisers supply you with a
pedometer to keep track of the amount of steps you take. You then walk
10,000 steps per day between March 23 and April 5, 2009. Other exercises
like gym sessions or swimming can also be included. Each team member
then enters their steps on the website and can track the team’s progress
on the online map. You can race other teams to the ‘virtual’ top of the
world or register two teams and race against each other. The website is
up and running at the moment, so you can check it out by clicking on
this link:
The Everest Virtual Challenge
Carol has registered the team name “Tug’s
Walk for Kids With Cancer 2009” so if any of you want to register and
join the team please do so. I need 14 other members to make up the team.
Please let Carol
know if you are interested.
Trains, Planes and Submarines festival at
Holbrook NSW, ACT and Victorian members are advised that here will be a
Trains, Planes and Submarines festival at Holbrook, NSW during weekend
21 and 22 Mar 09. WO Des Byrne, in HMAS Harman, is coordinating
Navy/Defence involvement in the Festival and I am assisting/running
interference on an occasional basis and are attempting to secure a Navy
helicopter for the Sunday as well as representation from nearby RAAF
Wagga. It is hoped that the SM Force Element Group will provide a
contemporary SM display. Defence Force Recruiting will be present on
both the Saturday and the Sunday.
Eternal
Patrol - John Horlock
John joined the Royal Navy when hostilities with Germany commenced on 3
September 1939 in the Boys’ Service, during which time he underwent
communications training.
In 1941, John chose the submarine service, and after training at Blyth,
on 23 August was drafted to the Submarine Depot Ship HMS Cyclops where
he joined the training boat HMS H34 in November. Although old and small
the boat was pressed into service to maintain a patrol over the
Christmas period outside Brest harbour to try and intercept the German
battleships as it was expected that Scharnhorst, Gneisenau and Prinz
Eugen would attempt a breakout. On return to Scotland, John left the
boat in February 1942.
John’s next billet was in the US of A, the boat S.24 one of many old USN
ships and submarines made available to the British Government under the
Lend/Lease scheme had been offered and John joined the troopship SS
Letitia along with the rest of the commissioning crew to bring her back
as HMS/m P.555 Having repaired many mechanical problems, P.555 arrived
in Rothesay, via Bermuda in September 1942. With the arrival of the boat
in the UK, John was granted leave, which also saw him with a new billet
HMS/m Severn, which he joined in January 1943.
Having completed a long refit in the United States and a period of
repairs and adjustments in Scotland and after a thorough work-up, Severn
joined several other boats on 1 April to patrol in Northern waters, for
Severn this proved uneventful and with a variety of defects was forced
to return to Glasgow on 11 April.
On completing repair, Severn was ordered to proceed to the Mediterranean
to join the 8th Flotilla in Algiers in June 1943. While crossing the Bay
of Biscay the boat was attacked by a Coastal Command Sunderland flying
boat which bombed the boat while it was diving. Luckily for the boat no
damaged was caused, however on arrival in Algiers it was learnt that the
RAF had claimed they had discovered and destroyed a U-Boat.
As targets in Mediterranean were becoming scarce Severn was used to land
and withdraw special parties in Sardinia in Operation Hawthorn. In an
extension of the operation, on 27 June another army party was
successfully landed on the south-west coast and another on the central
west coast. A party for the north-west was not landed due to ongoing
defects in the boat. Severn returned to Algiers on 14 July. After
repairs Severn returned to Sardinia to re-embark the earlier parties,
but had to withdraw as the embarkation beach had been compromised and
the following night the boat had to withdraw as the port engine was out
of action. After her defects were made good the boat went on to the 1st
Flotilla based at Beirut and subsequently to the Eastern Fleet Flotilla.
After the invasion of Sicily Severn was used to deliver war materiels in
the form of guns, ammunition, and fuel to various spheres of war on the
invasion islands.
In March 1944, John was drafted off the
boat and joined the net layer HMS Guardian for transit to Malta to join
spare crew. It was not long before John joined his last submarine HMS
Unsparing. John’s first patrol in Unsparing was on the 2nd April in the
Aegean via the Kaso Strait arriving there on the 6th. Whilst there an
intelligence report was received stating that a German ship Anita was
making its way from Rhodes to either Leros or Piraeus.
The ship was spotted with a heavy air escort and three destroyers
accompanying her. Unsparing was able to get herself into a good firing
positing and a salvo of four torpedos were fired. After firing the boat
went deep and three explosions were heard. After a half-hearted counter
attack, periscope depth was regained only to find that the explosions
were the torpedoes hitting cliffs and that Anita and her destroyers had
escaped. With no further action the submarine was recalled on the 19th
and returned to Malta via the Anti-Kithera channel on the 22nd.
The next patrol was in May when Unsparing was sent to the north coast of
Crete where no targets were found, however instructions were sent to
make the submarine’s presence be known by bombarding Kaneliusa and
Kamara Bay, in Kos. Later, intelligence reported that an enemy convoy
was in the vicinity, however, no ships materialised, so the boat was
recalled to Malta on the 27th and arrived on the 30th.
Unsparing’s second to last patrol commenced on 16 June in the south
Aegean via the Anti-Kithera channel. On the 21st, off Cape Malea a
convoy consisting of a small steamer, a Siebel ferry escorted by a UJ-boat
and a lone Arado aircraft was confronted. Having obtained a good firing
position four torpedoes were fired at the ships. Having gone deep, two
explosions were heard, when periscope depth was regained it was found
that two torpedoes had sunk UJ.2106 (ex-Tenedos of 450 tons) and that
the ferry had moved in to pick up survivors, which enabled the submarine
to reload torpedoes and fire at the ferry. One torpedo fired was seen to
run on the surface and strike the ferry right aft, which did not cause
it to sink; the coup de grace was fired an hour later and Siebel Ferry
No 284 was no more. However, the steamer Sybille was able to escape.
With no further action encountered the submarine was recalled and the
boat arrived in Malta on 29 June.
The 12th and last patrol for Unsparing was in the Melos area leaving
Malta on 9 July, this patrol was an uneventful week. Although targets
were spotted unforeseen events caused the attacks to be called off. The
boat was recalled back to Malta, arriving there on 23rd.
With the sea war in the Mediterranean being scaled back, and Unsparing
being unsuitable for war in the Far East she was ordered back to the UK
in late 1944. After a minor refit at Tilbury, Essex, in the new year,
the boat was ordered to Tobermorey, Isle of Mull in Scotland. Later the
boat was laid up at Milford Haven.
With the decrease of submarines, John left boats and continued to serve
his time in the General Service. John left the Royal Navy as a
Telegraphist.
John migrated to Australia and settled in Victoria, he joined the
Association in May 1988.
Compiled by Peter Smith, Hon Nat Historian.

HEALTH MATTERS
Message from the
Ambulance Service
We all
carry our mobile phones with names & numbers stored in its memory. If we
were to be involved in an accident or were taken ill, the people
attending us would have our mobile phone but wouldn't know who to call.
Yes, there are hundreds of numbers stored but which one is the contact
person in case of an emergency? Hence this 'ICE' (In Case of Emergency)
Campaign.
The concept of
'ICE' is catching on quickly. It is a method of contact during emergency
situations. As mobile phones are carried by the majority of the
population, all you need to do is store the number of a contact person
or persons who should be contacted during emergency under the name 'ICE'
(In Case Of Emergency). The idea was thought up by a paramedic who found
that when he went to the scenes of accidents there were always mobile
phones with patients but they didn't know which number to call.
He therefore
thought that it would be a good idea if there was a nationally
recognised name for this purpose. In an emergency situation,
Emergency Service personnel and hospital staff would be able to quickly
contact the right person by simply dialing the number you have stored as
'ICE'.
For more than
one contact name simply enter ICE1, ICE2 and ICE3 etc
The Dangers of Masturbation
I was sent a warning about the dangers of masturbation
this week and it alarmed me, not only can it send you blind, it can have
a serious detrimental effect on muscle tissue, as the photo shows.
Note: I have been advised that the model was NOT a well known senior
naval officer.
VETERAN'S AFFAIRS
New Department of
Veterans' Affairs e-News service.
E-News is a monthly electronic newsletter service keeping you
up-to-date with information from the Department of Veterans' Affairs.
The first issue will be sent in March. If you, a friend or
colleague would like to receive e-News, you can subscribe by sending an
email to
e-news-subscribe@dvalists.aaa.net.au with the word SUBSCRIBE in the
subject field. Once joined, they will receive a confirmation by email.
Restoration of DFRDB
Widow's Pensions cancelled on remarriage
From the inception of the contributory DFRB/DFRDB Superannuation Schemes
until mid 1977 widows or widowers of Australian Defence Force Personnel
who were killed in Australia or overseas were granted a pension from the
contributory Defence Force Retirement and Death Benefit Fund. Until 1977
the Commonwealth Government Legislation required that if a spouse
remarried the pension be cancelled.
In 1977 a Federal Government policy change meant that widows/widowers
pensions were no longer cancelled on remarriage. However, those spouses
who had lost their partners before this date did not have their pensions
reinstated, unless there was a compelling case of financial hardship.
Following strong representation to and subsequent support from senior
Government Ministers of the last Coalition Government [The Hon Mal
Brough, The Hon Nic Minchin and The Hon Bruce Billson], the Pre 1977
DFRDB Spouse Pensions have been reinstated prospectively, on
application, with effect 1 January 2008.
The term used by the present Government through Comsuper is
‘Reversionary Pensions’. Regrettably, it is a term that not many
understand. The reinstatement of the DFRDB Widows [Spouse]
pensions needs wide dissemination to all Military Associations of the
three Services and the wider community.
This initiative covers the widows of all Australian Defence Force
personnel who contributed to the DFRB/DFRDB Scheme and who died as a
result of natural causes, accidents, disease or in other circumstances
in peace in Australia or overseas as well as all those who lost their
lives on Active Service.
It is stressed that the reinstatement of DFRB/DFRDB pensions will only
be made prospectively from the date of application.
Contact: Comsuper Mrs Sara Ferguson and DFRDB Scheme Major General David
Ferguson AM, CSC [R]
PO Box 22 Tele: 07 5497 5519
Belconnen 2616 Email: dfer6755@bigpond.net.au
Tele: 1300 001 887
DEFENCE NEWS
Head of Future Submarine Program named
The Minister for Defence, the Hon Joel Fitzgibbon MP, has
today announced the appointment of Rear Admiral (RADM) Rowan Moffitt,
AO, RAN, to the new position of Head Future Submarine Program in Defence
Materiel Organisation (DMO). “The early stages of the program
require large amounts of Government to Government and Navy to Navy
interaction which makes RADM Moffitt an excellent choice to lead the
program in its early years,” Mr Fitzgibbon said.
The future submarine is planned to replace the Collins class submarine
commencing in 2025. This highly complex project is a high priority for
the Rudd Labor Government.
“The appointment of RADM Moffitt meets the Government’s commitment, at
the last election, to ensure that preliminary work on Australia’s next
generation of submarines is progressed,” Mr Fitzgibbon said.
RADM Moffitt will report to the Chief Executive Officer of DMO, Dr
Stephen Gumley, and will lead a combined Navy, DMO and Capability
Development Group Future Submarine Project Office, commencing duties on
23 February 2009.
$25 billion, and possibly up to $35 billion,
will be spent on New SM project.
In an exclusive, the ABC has learnt that the Defence White Paper due in
April will confirm more than $25 billion, and possibly up to $35
billion, will be spent on the project. That is likely to allow the
current fleet of six Collins submarines to be doubled.
The first of the submarines is due in the water sometime after 2020, so
they are in service when the Collins fleet is retired in 2025.
Former submarine commander Peter Clarke says the expanded fleet will put
Australia in the race in a region that is investing heavily in
submarines. "Twelve is many, many times better than six because of
the greater flexibility it gives you," he said.
European-designed hulls will house US combat systems in the new
submarines, which will be capable of running for weeks without
surfacing.
The Navy will be the biggest winner of the multi-billion-dollar Defence
shopping list to be released with the White Paper, which reflects the
priority the Prime Minister gave to sea power last year.
The Minister has appointed Rear Admiral Rowan Moffitt to ensure sonar,
combat and design secrets make it to Adelaide where American technology
and European hulls will again be combined at the Australian Submarine
Corporation shipyard.
The original fleet of Collins Class submarines was part of an ambitious
plan to take Australia's Navy well into the 21st Century, replacing the
Oberon class submarines. However, the Collins Class have not been
without their problems, with the project experiencing significant design
and construction delays.
Although originally a fixed-cost contract, because of later upgrade
specifications, the submarines' total cost snowballed to over $6 billion
as of 2000, compared to the $3.9 billion stated in June 1987 by then
prime minister Bob Hawke's government.
Defence Minister admits 'challenge' manning
Collins-class submarines
Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon has admitted there are serious problems
in manning the Collins-class submarines and says the government is
working hard to retain the crews it already has. Mr Fitzgibbon was
speaking after The Australian revealed warnings contained in a
confidential defence report which said the submarine fleet was in danger
of becoming unsustainable because of a chronic shortfall of qualified
sailors.
"Our people and skills shortage is the single biggest challenge facing
the Australian Defence Force in the coming decades,'' Mr Fitzgibbon told
ABC Radio. "We've initiated a range of bonuses - up to the $60,000
annually - in order to keep those much-needed people ... in our
submarine workforce.''
A psychological study of the submarine arm, obtained by The Australian,
reveals almost half of all submariners intend to abandon the navy as
soon as they can, at a time when it is already so short of crews that it
can barely put three of its six Collins-class boats to sea.
The report questions the sustainability of the current Collins-class
fleet at a time when the Government is preparing plans, revealed in The
Australian in 2007, for a future fleet of up to 12 submarines in the
forthcoming defence white paper. It finds that morale has
crumbled, with submariners saying they are overworked, underpaid and
unappreciated. They feel alienated from the navy.
Officers are bitter about being exempt from the navy's submarine
retention bonuses, which has led them to be paid less than the junior
sailors they command.
The study found a quarter of the navy's submarine crews suffer chronic
sleep deprivation and believe their job of roaming the world's oceans is
meaningless. "The career intentions results raise serious concerns
about the sustainability of the submarine fleet," according to the
report on a survey of navy submariners by the Defence Force Psychology
Organisation. "With between 34-48 per cent of submarine
respondents reporting an intention to leave the navy in the short term
the (submarine service) seems to be facing a possible crisis.
"All submarine crews report fairly low levels of commitment to the navy,
suggesting many are beginning to lose a sense of esprit de corps with
the wider organisation."
The report, written in July last year, was commissioned to gauge
attitudes within the submarine service at a time when severe manpower
shortages have placed pressure on existing crews.
The recent mining boom in Western Australia caused many technically
skilled submariners to leave the navy for better-paid jobs on land.
The navy has tried to attract more submariners by offering $60,000
bonuses for non-officers who sign on for an extra 18 months and by
reducing time spent at sea. But the survey shows these measures have had
little impact, with most submariners saying salaries are still not high
enough to justify spending so much time away from their home and
families.
"The results indicate general agreement amongst submarine crews that
their pay and conditions are not sufficient compensation for the work
they do," the report says.
The survey of three submarine crews - HMAS Rankin, HMAS Waller and HMAS
Collins - found that almost a quarter of them worked an average of 11
hours a day, with a similar amount reporting five hours sleep or less a
night. "These results indicate that up to a quarter of submarine
crews appear to be experiencing chronic sleep deprivation," the report
says. This affected safety levels and morale.
There were some positive findings, with 60 per cent of crews reporting
that they liked the kind of work they did and had faith in their senior
officers.
"Respondents reported high levels of teamwork, high confidence in their
immediate commanders and a general feeling of being valued and cared for
at the unit (submarine) level (but) these positive ratings did not
translate into high job satisfaction of higher commitment to the navy,"
the report says. It warns there will be an exodus of senior
officers - and therefore experience - unless the bonus system is changed
to include them.
They might be the saddest boats in the Royal Australian Navy. When the
crews of submarines HMAS Rankin and HMAS Waller were asked to write down
their innermost feelings to Defence psychologists, they did not hold
back. Of Waller's crew, 37 per cent said their job was "meaningless" and
only 16 per cent were satisfied with their work-family balance. Worse,
they don't even seem to like each other.
"HMAS Waller respondents are also the least likely to socialise with
each other outside work, suggesting something is amiss on the boat,"
says the report by Defence's Psychology Organisation.
"HMAS
Waller respondents reported the lowest teamwork (and) lower confidence
in the performance of their supervisors and leaders. They do not feel as
valued or cared for by their superiors."
One crew member said: "While I am at sea, I am bored beyond belief
sitting for hours in front of a screen is mind-numbing."
Another said: "The poor state of the submarines is demoralising."
One sailor complained that submarine life was too serious, with no
ways to release stress. "The all-permeating attitude to have a totally
professional workplace in navy has sucked any and all fun out of being
at sea and doing what we do."
Aboard the Rankin, the mood was even more dire, with psychologists
reporting the lowest morale in the fleet and the most grumbling about
pay and conditions: 70 per cent of the crew said the job required them
to be away too often, and almost half said they felt under-trained.
"Most troubling of all, 48 per cent of these respondents report a desire
to leave the navy either as soon as possible or in the next couple of
years, and only 7 per cent report a desire to stay in the navy as long
as they can," the study says. "HMAS Rankin seems to be the most
dissatisfied group in the submarine force," it concludes.
'No chance' $20bn submarine wish list will be
passed by Government
A Defence wish list for a $20 billion submarine fleet has virtually no
chance of making it past the Government's razor gang. Defence
wants to buy 12 new submarines when the current fleet of six Collins
boats retires after 2020.
That would value the new vessels at about $2 billion each and make them
the most expensive conventional submarines in history.
However, sources have told the Herald Sun the global financial crisis
and a lack of crew numbers for the current fleet means the plan will run
aground. Just three of the six Collins boats are deployable due to the
lack of qualified or willing crew members.
Navy chief Vice-Admiral Russ Crane yesterday confirmed he could man only
three subs with the navy's 420 qualified submariners. He also revealed
plans to rotate crews between boats rather than attach them to
individual vessels for a tour of duty.
According to insiders, the wish list will face major hurdles from
Finance and Treasury when it goes to the Government for final approval
as part of the 2009 budget process.
Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon said even large financial bonuses were
not enough to attract crew. "We've initiated a range of bonuses - up to
the $60,000 annually - in order to keep those much-needed people," he
said.
The Opposition has supported the project but questioned the magnitude of
the plan. "The Opposition would be very willing to support a new
generation of world-class, conventionally powered submarines," defence
spokesman Senator David Johnston said.
A survey of submarine crews has uncovered serious morale problems on
board subs HMAS Waller and HMAS Rankin. It says 37 per cent of
Waller's crew believe their job is meaningless.
Economic downturn sinks sale of ASC
The government on Thursday dropped plans to sell its defence ship
builder, (ASC), saying the global economic downturn may affect a
successful sale. Analysts had said the ASC, which built and maintains
Australia's fleet of six Collins-class submarines, was worth about A$300
million ($194 million). The company also has a contract to build the
navy's three air warfare destroyers.
'It is unfortunate that the current economic climate presents
significant risks to a successful sale of ASC,' Finance Minister Lindsay
Tanner said in a statement. 'In addition, a sale in the short term could
complicate the operations of the company given ASC is currently building
the Royal Australian Navy's air warfare destroyers and likely to be
considered in any future submarine build programme,' he said.
ASC has been in government ownership since 2000 when the Commonwealth
exercised its pre-emptive rights to ensure full Australian ownership of
the company after the exit of Swedish submarine builder Kockums. The
Howard government originally planned to sell ASC three years ago but
then shelved the idea in the run-up to the 2007 election.
Since then ASC has been preparing itself for an eventual sale with the
Government setting tight restrictions on any new owner including a
foreign ownership ceiling of 15 per cent. The sale process is
complicated because the ASC has access to high-technology U.S. weapons
systems. That means any buyer would need U.S approval to access
sensitive technology.
Defence industry sources say keeping ASC in government ownership
indefinitely could complicate the Government's future naval procurement
strategy, hampering the emergence of a truly world-class naval
shipbuilder.
Australia may build up to 12 new submarines, at a cost of up to A$25
billion, under a new defence strategic review to be outlined in April,
according to local media reports. The Adelaide-based ASC may win some of
those contracts.
Montenegro to give submarines to Serbia,
Slovenia, Croatia
Chief of Staff Dragan Samardzic said that Montenegro will give away its
Tisa submarines to Slovenia, Croatia and Serbia. Samardzic explained
that Podgorica (the official commercial and cultural centre of
Montenegro) currently has four submarines of this kind and would like
them to become museum pieces.
He added Montenegrin officials have held talks with counterparts from
Serbia's and Slovenia's submarine associations, as well as with Croatian
military officials. Each country would receive one submarine,
while the fourth would remain in the Tivat nautical museum of Porto.
'Lessons to be learnt' after nuclear submarine
collision in the Atlantic
Britain's Defence Secretary John Hutton said lessons would have to be
learnt 'pretty quickly' following the mid-Atlantic collision between
British and French nuclear submarines. HMS Vanguard, which was refitted
at Devonport Dockyard, and French sub Le Triomphant – both believed to
have been carrying nuclear warheads – were damaged in the crash earlier
this month in the Atlantic.
Speaking in the House of Commons yesterday, Mr Hutton said: "The First
Sea Lord has made clear there is a very careful investigation going on
to explore exactly how this event happened and what conclusions we
should draw from it. "I don't want to pre-empt the First Sea
Lord's inquiry but clearly if there are any lessons to be learnt, and I
suspect there are, we need to learn them pretty quickly."
The collision is thought to have happened on February 3 or 4, when both
submarines were submerged and on patrol.
Despite being equipped with sonar to detect other vessels, neither
submarine's crew apparently realised the other vessel was in the same
part of the ocean. A senior Royal Navy source said the potential
consequences of such a collision were 'unthinkable'.
Both vessels made their own way back to base, and on February 7 the
French Navy published details of a collision. At the time, they thought
their submarine had struck a sunken container.
In Britain, the Ministry of Defence initially refused to confirm the
incident, saying it was not policy to comment on submarine operations,
but on February 16 the Navy issued a statement saying the two vessels
hit each other while travelling at very low speeds and no one was
injured.
The MoD said the Vanguard returned to its base in Faslane, Scotland,
with only 'scrapes'.
Submarine USS Toledo redelivered to the Navy
After spending 27 months at Northrop Grumman's Newport News shipyard,
the submarine USS Toledo is finally ready to head back to sea. Northrop
said Tuesday that the sub was redelivered to the U.S. Navy on Saturday,
more than eight months after its original schedule.
The Los Angeles-class sub, which arrived in Newport News in December
2006 for a $178.5 million maintenance and modernization project, was
supposed to be completed and returned to the U.S. Navy last June.
But since the original contract was signed, the shipyard has
incorporated more than 2,000 project changes that have contributed to
the extended schedule, said Jennifer Dellapenta, a Northrop spokeswoman.
"It is common for the work scope to increase on these types of
maintenance availabilities once additional inspections are performed
throughout the ship," she said. "The resulting additional work must be
planned and scheduled; required materials must be procured; and the work
must be executed in coordination with the original work, which can lead
to schedule extensions."
Last April, the shipyard and the Navy said additional required repairs
would push back the sub's delivery. At the time, yard General Manager
Matt Mulherin said the boat should be completed by the end of 2008.
During the Toledo's time in the yard, its sonar, combat and weapons
systems were upgraded. Workers performed maintenance work on the
propulsion, auxiliary and habitability systems, and preserved the sub's
ballast and internal tanks, Northrop said.
After a change-of-command ceremony in Norfolk on March 5, the Toledo
will return to its home port in Groton, Conn., said Cmdr. Kevin
Copeland, a Navy spokesman. The boat is scheduled to be deployed in
summer 2010.
The Toledo was the 26th Los Angeles-class sub built in Newport News. It
was commissioned in 1995.
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The Russian Navy Crawls Out Of The Cellar
The Russian Navy has not only shrunk since the end of the Cold
War in 1991, but it has also become much less active. In the last three
years, only ten of their nuclear subs went to sea, on a combat patrol,
each year. Most of the boats going to sea were SSNs (attack subs), the
minority were SSBNs (ballistic missile boats). There were more short
range training missions, which often lasted a few days, or just a few
hours. But the true measure of a fleet is the "combat patrol" or
"deployment." In the U.S. Navy, most of these last from 2-6 months. In
the last three years, U.S. nuclear subs have carried out ten times as
many patrols as their Russian counterparts.
Currently, Russia only has 14 SSBN (nuclear ballistic missile sub) boats
in service, and not all of them have a full load of missiles. Some lack
full crews, or have key systems in need of repair. Russia has only 14
modern, 7,000 ton, Akula SSNs (nuclear attack subs) in service. These
began building in the late 1980s and are roughly comparable to the
American Los Angeles class. All of the earlier Russian SSNs are trash,
and most have been decommissioned. There are also eight SSGN (nuclear
subs carrying cruise missiles) and 20 diesel electric boats. There is a
new class of SSGNs under construction, but progress, and promised
funding increases, have been slow.
Currently, the U.S. has six of the new, 7,700 ton, Virginia class SSNs
in service, four under construction and nine on order. The mainstay of
the American submarine force is still the 6,100 ton Los Angeles-class
SSN. Sixty-two of these submarines were built, 45 of which remain in
front-line service, making it probably the largest class of nuclear
submarines that will ever be built. The Seawolf-class of nuclear attack
submarines stopped at three from a planned class of twenty-nine. The
8,600 ton Seawolf was designed as a super-submarine, designed to fight
the Soviet Navy at its height. Reportedly, it is quieter going 40
kilometers an hour, than the Los Angeles-class submarines are at pier
side.
The peak year for Russian nuclear sub patrols was 1984, when there were
230. That number rapidly declined until, in 2002, there were none. Since
the late 1990s, the Russian navy has been hustling to try and reverse
this decline. But the navy budget, despite recent increases, is not
large enough to build new ships to replace the current Cold War era
fleet that is falling apart.
The rapid decline of Russia's nuclear submarine fleet needed
international help to safely decommission over a hundred obsolete or
worn out nuclear subs. This effort has been going on for nearly a
decade, and was driven by the Russian threat to just sink their older
nuclear subs in the Arctic ocean. That might work with conventional
ships, but there was an international uproar over what would happen with
all those nuclear reactors sitting on the ocean floor forever. Russia
generously offered to accept donations to fund a dismantling program
that included safe disposal (of the nuclear reactors).
Since the end of the Cold War in 1991, most of the ship building money
has gone into new nuclear subs. Six Akulas have been completed in that
time, but the first of a new generation of SSBNs, the Borei class was
delayed by technical problems, a new ballistic missile that wouldn't
work, and lack of money. The first Borei class boat, after many delays,
is finally ready for service, and ended up costing over two billion
dollars.
The Russian admirals made their big mistake in the early 1990s, when the
dismantling of the Soviet Union left the second largest fleet in the
world with only a fraction of its Cold War budget. Rather than
immediately retire ninety percent of those ships, Russia tried to keep
many of them operational. This consumed most of the navy budget, and
didn't work. There were too many ships, not enough sailors and not
enough money for maintenance or training at sea. The mighty Soviet fleet
is mostly scrap now, or rusting hulks tied up at crumbling, out-of-the
way naval bases.
While Western nuclear subs can last for about thirty years, Russian
models rarely get past twenty. That means two new SSN or SSGN has to be
put into service each year to maintain a force of forty boats. Unless
the sub construction budget get billions more dollars a year, that is
not going to happen. Right now, the priority is on producing a new class
of SSBNs (11 more Boreis are planned or under construction). These
Boreis are critical, because they carry SLBM (Sea Launched Ballistic
Missiles) that provide a critical (they are much harder to destroy in a
first strike than land based missiles) portion of the nuclear deterrent.
The rest of the Russian armed forces, like most of the navy, is in sad
shape, and unable to resist a major invasion. Only the ICBMs and SLBMs
guarantee the safety of the state. So the way things are going now, in a
decade or two, Russia will end up with a force consisting of a dozen
SSNs and a dozen SSBNs.
The current fleet of nuclear subs is tiny, and the Russians would rather
keep them tied up at dock most of the time. The crews can do a lot of
training at dockside, and only go to sea a few times a year to check on
their state of training. Given the number of accidents their subs have
had in the past decade, the training the crews are getting now is not
sufficient.
The Mob, then and now...............
Then: If you smoked, you had an ashtray on your desk.
Now: If you smoke, you get sent outside and treated like a leper
Then: Mail took weeks to get to the ship.
Now: Every time you get near land, there's a mob on the flight
deck/quarterdeck checking to see if their mobile will work.
Then: You had one hat for stepping and one hat for Divisions.
Usually it was one and the same.
Now: You have a selection of hats to wear, ball cap, sailors cap
and an AKUBRA.
Then: The dress of the day was Number 10a's optional shirts and
sandals. The Stokers were the only ones to wear "overies".
Now: Everyone wears grey overalls. Commonly know are either "ralls
or CC's" (Combat Coveralls) not allowed to call them overies anymore,
now that women are on ships.
Then: The ships office had a typewriter on a desk for doing
daily reports.
Now: Everyone has a computer with Internet access and they
wonder why there is no work going on.
Then: Your girlfriend was at home praying for your safe return.
Now: She is on the same ship as you, praying that the condom
worked.
Then: If you got drunk off duty, your mates helped you back
onboard and made sure you were up in the morning.
Now: If you get drunk off duty, they counsel you and then send
you to rehab and ruin your career
Then: Our top officers were professional sailors first. They
commanded respect.
Now: Our top officers are politicians first, they beg not to be
given a wedgie.
Then: They collected enemy intelligence and analysed it.
Now: They collect our urine and analyse it.
Then: If you didn't act right, they'd put you on chooks until
you straightened up.
Now: If you don't act right, they start a paper trail that will
follow you forever.
Then: Medals were awarded to heroes who saved lives at the risk
of their own.
Now: Medals are awarded to people just for turning up for work
most of the time.
Then: You ate in the Scran Hall, it was free and you could have
as much as you wanted.
Now: You eat in the Dining Facility and you get one serve and
you pay for it.
Then: If you wanted to relax, you went to the Wets and played
pool, smoked and drank beer.
Now: You go to the Community Centre and maybe you can play pool,
but no smoking or drinking.
Then: If you wanted to get on the turps, you went to the Wets
and had as much as you wanted at a good price and generally had a good
time.
Now: The beer will cost the same as ashore, and someone will be
watching to see how much you are drinking.
Then: The Canteen had bargains for sailors who didn't have much
money.
Now: You can get the same things ashore for a better price.
Then: If an Admiral wanted to do a presentation, his Secretary
scribbled down some notes and had a Subby or Mid produce some charts for
him.
Now: Sixteen people spend a week preparing a PowerPoint
presentation, that is probably wrong and the Admiral doesn't understand
what is in it.
Then: we called the enemy things like "Commie Bastards, Gooks
and Slopes " because we didn't like them
Now: We call them things like "Opposing Forces and Aggressors"
so that we won't offend them.
Then: We declared victory when the enemy was dead and we had
destroyed all his things.
Now: We declare victory when the enemy says he is sorry and
won't do it again.
Then: A Commander would put his butt on the line to protect his
crew.
Now: A Commander will put his people on the line to protect his
own butt.
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