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THE CHIEF STOKER'S LOG - MAY 2007

SAA New Members  - Welcome Aboard

Captain Peter John Sinclair AM CSC RAN (Rtd), partner Tanya.  Kilkenny SA 5009.  Served in HMAS Ovens, Oxley Orion, HMS/ms Olympus, Osiris, Onyx, HMAS Otway Collins and Waller 1983 - 1999

Geoffrey Charles Rossiter, Parafield Gardens SA 5107 Served in HMAS Orion and Onslow 1978-1981 retired as a ABCKSM

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The following old tarts survived another year and have had, or are having, a Birthday. 

 1st: Henry Cook, Kevin Assenheim & Karol Sztonder
 3rd: Keith Dickson, Keith Hamilton, Mark Diggle & Gerald Degen
 5th: David Meakin-Jones
 7th: David Bryant, Don Clarke
 8th: Graeme Draper, John Hodgen, Michael Bell & Robin Ford
 9th: Dan Jordan, Tim Brown birthday, Roy Collins
10th: Adrian Sellars & Robert McGuigan
11th: Barry Davis, Leigh Ralph
13th: Peter Knight, Martin Toy
14th: Darryl Cross, Ian Hill & Peter Jensen
15th: Roger Cooper
16th: James Blakely
17th: Dave Grant
18th: Edward Barend & Mavis Heffernan
19th: Chris Paraskevas, Duane Houge, Ian Crouch & John Hodges
20th: John Paul Davies, Jack Warner
22nd: Patrick Cahill
23rd: Fred Lawrence
24th: John Mcdonald
26th: Stephen Jones
27th: Tom Johnston, Tim Rubenstein, Stephen Jones & Don Delosa
28th: Steve Thomas & Paul Hardy
29th: David James
30th: Michael Pullinger
31st: Tom Duncan & John Smith

Why isn't my Birthday here?  I hear this often, the answer is simple, I rely on Plaxo to help me manage the 1200 people in Up Periscope's mailing list.  So if you want to be listed, fill in your details on Plaxo next time I send an update request.

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Sick List
If you know of a mate that is not traveling well, let us know. Remember, a little contact during these times is better than a visit from the doctor.

Dave Luck has reported that Gerald Degen, a Dutch ex submariner, and a member of the Association, is in Bega Hospital following a knee reconstruction.  After recuperation he goes back to get the other one fixed.

Buster Keating has reported that Derick Ramsdale (1950's RN 'T' class sailor) is really 'crook' and is in intensive care in Fremantle Hospital and his sister Alice is out from the UK to see him.

Peter Vidler is having another round of radiation treatment on his bone cancer and then they will work again on the prostrate cancer when that is finished. Peter is putting up a terrific fight to overcome his problems and we all offer him our best wishes and prayers during these difficult times.

I hear all to often lately that it is not only the guys that are having major health issues, the number of wives that are having health issues is a concern.  It may seem that we forget them, but we don't.  Our love and best wishes to all that are going through a rough patch at the moment.

Sunday, 27th MAY 2007

A cold wet windy West Australian Sunday, what more could you ask for, especially when you planned to tidy up more of the backyard so that it will look more attractive to potential house buyers.   I am going to finish today's entry and then off to bed with a nice cup of soup and a book (Boof is already there, smart dog)

May already, my how time flies when you are having fun. My ticket and accommodation has been booked for SUBCON and I am looking forward to to the Meet and Greet on Friday night but I will not be attending the Ball on Saturday night.  It is good to see that there are more than normal nominations for the National Executive this year.  The Executive has been distracted this year, addressing the Constitution and other issues, and have not been able to address more important issues, let's hope that the next 12 months allow them to move the Association in the right direction with the support of ALL members.  The SAA's current Constitution does not give many options for voting, only those attending the AGM may vote.  The candidates are:

  • President: David Sandquest and John Head

  • Vice President: Max Hardy, John O’Brien and Lloyd Blake 

  • Secretary: Peter Smith and Noel Robinson

  • Treasurer: John Rana and Robert Wilson

The new site is doing exceedingly well and it seems that a majority of our regular visitors have placed it in their 'favourites'. The number of of daily visitors has reached an average of 280 a day and growing.  The problem at the moment is time, I still have just under 200 email in my 'pending' tray, so please be patient if you are waiting for a reply.  Thanks again for your support.

Around the Traps

Tony Vine reports that wife Cathie is making sure but slow progress after undergoing a major operation and thanks the members of the association for thinking of them at this time. The prognosis is good but Cathie will need regular tests over the next few years to ensure that the cancer does not reappear. Tony said "Please pass on our thanks to all for the support and best wishes, its times like this that you really appreciate the Naval family."

John Lennon has surfaced, but unfortunately has reported that wife Valerie has been through a traumatic period. "Just a short note to let you know what has been happening on the home front in the last couple of months. In February my lovely wife Val found a lump in her left breast, we saw specialists, had scans and biopsies, and all was announced, no problems, just a cyst! However, our own doctor saw her and said "I don't like lumps!" and arranged surgery after our holiday We went to Victoria for two weeks holiday in April with friends from Sydney and spent a week at Val's favourite place on the Murray near Echuca, and tried to say that everything was okay. On our return Val underwent surgery and a small lump was sent off for biopsy. They had found a cancerous cell, and they say it is most probably "not invasive". The specialist was very optimistic, and eased our fears somewhat, but Val has been booked in to have "remains of cells around the edge" removed and also radiography checks to see if lymph nodes have been affected. She'll be in for a couple of days. We are being very positive about this, we have kept all this mainly to ourselves, because we didn't want to upset anyone unduly and get all uptight about things. So, that is the main reason we have been keeping a little to ourselves in the past few months, and we hope that all goes well for Valerie next week, take care mate, and good luck with the new site, have enclosed a photo from our village debs ball." Our thoughts are with you both.

Australian Service Medal (ASM) with Clasp
The Australian Service Medal (ASM) with Clasp SPECIAL OPS was awarded to naval personnel who had been aboard submarines, on trips as specified by CDF. It has come to our attention that there are still a number of ex-submariners from the RAN who haven’t applied for their ASM with Clasp SPECIAL OPS. Brett Hinton discovered his eligibility by visiting the Veteran's Affairs page and said "Followed your link in one of the Chief's Logs and applied for my medal on the 10th May 2007. It arrived 21 May 2007. Could you please list the names more openly in the log and advise those eligible to go to Department of Defence website and a do site search for from AC 694, fill it in and fax it to Directorate of Honours and Awards - 02 6266 1065."  Are you entitled?

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David Horne has returned from his trip to Gallipoli "What a wonderful trip to Turkey, really enjoyed myself. Can't speak highly enough about it. I've now had an invite to the Decommissioning of HMAS Ipswich and HMAS Townsville after 25 years of service on Friday 11 May. I get to put the medals on again, but this time in a lounge suite and not cold weather gear as we did a couple of weeks ago."  Dave was interviewed by channel 7 on completion of the Dawn Service at ANZAC Cove.

Dave Luck reports that he has spoken to Ken Brazier and he is back home in Kilmore. A bit of the ultra quiet state and he should be OK. Dave said "You can't keep a greenie down !!!!!!!"  I recall a different problem "You can't get a greenie up!!!!"

Dave Holland is jet setting (again). "We are off to see our 6th Grandchild for the first time and do a little travelling around the USofA which includes the Space Shuttle launch on 8th June and a visit to Graceland's. Looking forward to the break, but will be online to keep an eye on business and read 'up-periscope'.

Dave Luck's story about the Periscope Photography course brought back memories of when I did the similar course with Peter Chegwidden, (Cheggers) in Sydney. We had words in the dark room the first time, but it was hands off from there on!!!! Ha! Ha! (Gi-day Cheggers) The photography skills were put to good use both with Admiral Peter Briggs on Otway and 'Woolly the Bull','Tricky' Dicky' & 'Mickey' Dunne on Orion. Still have many of the photos shots for my retirement plans.

Wish we had digital cameras in those days - as an example - we went to Beijing last month and took 900+ photos - also - just a heads-up - go to Beijing - the shopping is as good as it was in Honkers in the 60/70's if not better - a must do for rabbits. (heads-up - you can get a cardboard box from local china post offices and send 15kg of 'rabbits' back to Australia for $50 - ours arrived 3 weeks after we left).  Bye the way - we took a rabbit to the great wall , but guess what - there are rabbits there - bugger - off to bed, to many reds - writing crap now - !!!  Hoo! Roo! for now."

Ken Williams has sent this photo of his jolly running brother 'JJ' who is in the UK on exchange with our pommy mates. Ken said it was hard to tell it was him without the fishnets and makeup. I agree mate, but it is interesting to see his attempt at looking intelligent in front of HRH.  Or was he deep in thought on what to wear to HRH's pissup that night, can't be seen in the same dress again.

Two married buddies are out drinking one night, when one turns to the other and says, "You know, I don't know what else to do. Whenever I go home after we've been out drinking, I turn the headlights off before I get to the driveway.  I shut off the engine and coast into the garage. I take my shoes off before I go into the house, I sneak up the stairs, get undressed in the bathroom, stick my foot in the toilet and pee down my leg to prevent splashing sounds.  I ease into bed and my wife STILL wakes up, and yells at me for staying out so late!

"His buddy looks at him and says: "Well, you're obviously taking the wrong approach. I screech into the driveway, slam the door, storm up the steps, pee hard into the toilet water, then use the full flush, throw my shoes in the closet, undress in the bedroom, then jump into bed, slap her on the ass and say!, WHO'S HORNY????!!!" and she acts like she's sound asleep. It Works Every Time!!!

Tom and Laurie Johnson have left the ACT after finally selling their property and are now residents of Bargo (NSW).  If you are interested in buying in this area I suggest that you hang on for a few months, property values are bound to drop drastically over the next few months. Tom celebrates his (80th I think, he is much older than I) Birthday today.

I had this link sent to me but the stupidity and greed of people did not surprise me, you meet them every day.  The article reports that Nigerians are scamming Australians of millions with Queenslanders leading the race, being had to the tune of $500,000 per month. Even after being robbed of their life savings, the victims of Nigerian e-mail scams refuse to believe they have been duped by fraudsters.  Not even warnings from police can convince them to stop sending money out of Australia as they hold onto the dream of overnight riches as a result of a huge inheritance, lotto win or once-in-a-lifetime investment opportunity. I know a fool is born every day, but why are we all moving to Queensland?

A visitor from England wrote "I am afraid I haven't had a real chance to look through your site properly. Oddly enough my great grandfather served and died on a RAN submarine during ww1. The reason I write is I am a student at university studying sociology and preparing a presentation for Tuesday morning. I was wondering if you get this email in time and it is not too much trouble if you might be able to answer this question as I have had no luck finding the answer on the internet. My presentation is regarding gender roles and the British military. I understand that women are not able to serve on submarines, whilst I can see there are logistically many reasons why it would be difficult for both men and women to serve on a submarine (such as lack of privacy etc, as I hear submariners sleep 6 hours on and 6 hours off alternately etc with someone else) the reason given for the British Royal Navy not allowing women on submarines was apparently medical. They say in their official FAQs that : 'For health reasons relating to breathable air mixtures, service aboard submarines or as mine clearance divers continues to be precluded'. I was hoping you may be able to enlighten me about what this is about? Although I am concentrating on Britain's armed forces, I am sure I heard that other navies allow women on submarines and I have never heard this reason before. I was just a little confused as to what it means about air mixtures? Do women need more oxygen or something per litre of air? and how can this be, if other navies allow women on submarines. Thank you very much I do appreciate the assistance."  I was able to point Clare in the direction of a few References.  I was surprised with the RN's reasons.  I know that we had a visit from an RN Commodore not long after the RAN embarked down this path to determine if the RN should follow the RAN's lead (as it normally does).

Three couples on holiday in Spain around the hotel breakfast table, an American couple, an English couple and a couple from Glasgow. The American man says to his wife "Pass the honey,...... Honey".  The Englishman, hearing this and keeping it going, says to his wife  "Pass the sugar, .......Sugar".  The man from Glasgow not wanting to be outdone says to his wife, "Geeze the milk, ya cow.

Jean Gutterson of Kaikohe, New Zealand asked "Hey guys I mentioned in a discussion with people from over here that I always saw the submarine.  I visited the submarine that is at Darling Harbour, I was there 2 years ago and went to the museum. I also mentioned that there was a submarine museum miles away from the water, please make me out to be a good AUSTRALIAN and know what the hell I'm talking about."  I have advised Jean that she did see the RNrs at Penguin, yes Onslow is at Darling Harbour and pointed her to articles about Holbrook.  I also advised her that the RNZN also has a squadron of ewe Boats.

William van Leeuwen of Victoria asks "Can anyone help me? I am trying to get hold of some working drawings of the Australian j class submarine. I wish to build a scale, dynamic diving, radio controlled model."  If anyone can help please let me know.

Dan Jordan sent the following information on health issues that may be of assistance to readers "Back on line after a spell in the tropics, thought I'd let you know. In relation to the kidney stone sufferers I suggest that they Google 'dissolving kidney stones' on the web. For anyone interested in alternative cancer cures a look at 'apricot kernels' or 'vitamin B 17' is worth a read . Finally, for weight problems, I found lots of good information under 'coconut oil'. I study alternative medicine and I have read a lot in these areas and in fact I use apricot kernels and coconut oil at the moment." I am going to check out the coconut oil when I have put the Log to bed, thanks Dan.

Les Thurgood reported "While in Seniors Information/COTA office in Flinders Lane on Tuesday afternoon to use their computers for printing, a bloke came in to check on what his TPI card gave him free on V/Line. Spoke to him re his TPI and he said to me your name is Thurgood isn't it? Said yes and he said were you on Onslaught? Said no, but did do a couple of days day work on her when I was on Otter and Onslaught was in refit (Pompey I think but could have been Guzz when I was finishing off my Killicks course at Drake). Rather surprised at this, as I did not recognise the name or his face at first. Len Brennan. But he remembered me from then 1965 or 1966 (probably 1966). Also remembered I was an RO. He would have been in the second lot to go over to UK for boats. Not sure which branch. Has not kept up any contact with any association or other navy contacts. Just thought I would let you know, in case someone has been looking for  him. I was surprised he remembered me from only a brief acquaintance over 40 years ago." He definitely does not have Old Timers, I have trouble remembering faces after 40 minutes!

Rear Admiral Tony Whetstone, in an email to the RN SM Museum, wrote "Regret to tell you that Lt. Cdr Rowland (Bill) Sykes died last week in Star and Garter Home, Richmond where he been for many years and became a friend of Bill Jewell, Thermopylae's first CO. Served with me in HMS Thermopylae from 1953 to 1955. Submarine Museum should have record of his other boats." Bill was 78and also served in Aeneas and Solent, during the period 1950-1958. He was given a Private Funeral.

The following article was written by Bob Head (The Eternal OD), pictured here with the missus in 2005.  I ignored the comment he makes about Chief Stokers as he was only a ring bolt kicking deck ape and knows no better.  Bob used to live on a barge before moving to Mazarron in Spain and rumour has it that his ability to navigate resulted in it sinking, and he moved to avoid embarrassment.

New Bridge for Old (or; How to re-design an O Boats Bridge)
One fine day in May 1971 Her Majesties Submarine Opportune SSK20 was quietly weaving along at various depths about two hundred miles south west of the Sicily Isles. Our gainfull employment was to test sonar arrays, which were later to be part of the 2000 series sonar sets. El Capitano feeling bored and unhappy with two thirds of his motley crew tucked up in their smelly pits decides to close up the attack team and practice on a poor unsuspecting passing merchantman that had just happened along our part of the South West Approaches. We tumble out of our bunks and gallop off to the Control Room, looking out of course for a Senior Rate or Officer coming in the opposite direction down the 24-inch wide passage to trample over.

Oh! me, I was the Leading Hand of the forward mess, Rader Plotter 2 and Navigator’s Yeoman together with various other tasks assigned to me by people various, but I must admit to an aversion to Chief Stokers, GI’s and Jossmen. Arriving at my allotted position on the front side of the back plot, I donned my regulation head set and mike, scooped up various chino-graph pencils, slide rule and assorted protractors. Had the Sound Room and Local Operation Plot loud and clear and off we go building up a picture of the target. The Captain is on the attack or forward periscope, the signalman is shadowing his movements reading off angles and bearings as required. Other than the Captain did not have his cap on back to front it was just like the movies, loads of tense people talking in hushed tones, when required, practicing what they were trained to do, convert a skimmer into a submarine.

For a reason known only to God and his able assistant our Captain, he, that’s the Captain not God, suddenly stood back from the periscope and says, “I am incapacitated, First Lieutenant take over the attack”. Well you could have heard a pin drop or even a Leander Frigate pinging away at Portland, so steps forward the man of the moment Lt. Tom Le Marchant, later to be Captain SM10. Very soon he is gripping the handles of the attack scope and getting into the attack. Old ‘Mr. I Am Incapacitated’ is on the search or aft periscope checking on proceedings. Unfortunately this instrument is four foot shorter than the attack scope so spends a long time under the surface where the Captain can see only a milky green haze.

The proceedings are now reaching a climax (don’t even go there) and we prepare to fire water shots at the target i.e. fire the water in two empty tubes out, this makes the fore-endies, TAS Weapons ratings, feel involved in the proceedings. Then Tom Le Marchant orders the Coxswain on the one-man band (combined helm and planes) to take us to 200 feet. The bow down angle increases and we had just about reached 100 foot when the most almighty bang and the bow down angle increase. All water tight doors and bulkheads were slammed shut about 2 seconds before the Engineer Officer gave the order. All compartments reported no damage or flooding but we carried on going down.

Now one of the laws of physics is as a submarine goes deeper the water pressure compresses it, this makes it heavier, which make it go down faster, which compresses it further, this of course makes it heavier. I will leave the rest up to you, suffice it to say; us that had sight of a depth gauge thought well how deep can we go. The ballast pump was pumping away for all it was worth and as we reach 800 foot, well it may have only been 700, the Captain ordered Main Ballast to be blown. Up we popped like a champagne cork no chance of a one all round look on a periscope or sonar search for surface contacts which is normal when coming up from deep. Being the soul who sat just about under the tower I was ordered to test the tower for flooding then open the lower lid. Then open up the upper lid, this would not open fully due to various bits of metal and fibreglass, which had previously been the bridge and front end of our fin. Up goes the outside wrecker, skilled tiffie, to cut away the wreckage so that the OOW and Lookout could occupy the radar mast well as a temporary bridge.

It was soon discovered that the merchantman, recently out of dry dock, yes a 2-foot by 1-foot new zinc anode was embedded in the fin, had taken off the front upper area of the fin. Later investigations concluded that the 1st Lieutenant had been over estimating the range putting us closer to the target than anticipated. Both our periscopes were well dead and we were ordered to Portsmouth for dry-docking while new scopes were fitted then calibrated.

Six weeks minimum we were told. Well every cloud has a silver lining, I had been married only four months and lived near Guildford, after bunging the chart correction unit in HMS Dolphin 200 duty free fags to correct my charts, and the staff at Guildford Royal Navy and Royal Marines Recruitment Office a bottler of rum I was duly drafted to the same recruitment office and shown as RA for the only time in my naval career.

Dartmouth abandons submarine breakwater plans
Canada's Chronicle Herald reports that the Dartmouth Yacht Club has sunk its plans to buy three of the Oberon-class submarines sitting in Halifax Harbour after the project’s cost skyrocketed to $2.2 million.  The club wanted to use the vessels to extend the breakwater surrounding the marina.

But the cost forced management to choose another option, said David Langlois, chairman of the club’s breakwater committee. "You can get a submarine for a couple of dollars," said Mr. Langlois, referring to a vessel that was sold to a Quebec museum for $4. "But to take them from under the bridge, transport them to the . . . yacht club and get them cleaned up and onto (special) beds turned out to be too expensive for us."

This spring, the yacht club contacted the Department of National Defence, saying members were interested in buying the submarines. The department received a proposal but no decision had been reached, said Tina Crouse, a department spokeswoman.  The club will soon revoke the request, Mr. Langlois said. "We will send a letter acknowledging that we no longer have any interest in (the submarines)."

One of the club’s neighbours said people who live in the area should have received more information about the decision process.  "We would not have had the angst we’ve had for the last month with rumours flying one way and the other, and really causing a lot of turmoil."

For more than 51 years, she has looked out her sunroom window at the 49 square kilometres of peaceful seawater in Wrights Cove. So it came as a complete surprise to learn that the cove might be marred by rusted submarines, she said.  "They said they could acquire them for $400 apiece, which I thought was ridiculous," she said.

Shrinking Submarine Force Tied To High Cost Of Iraq War
US Senate representative Joe Courtney published this article that blames the US President's current plan to build just one new Virginia-class submarine per year through 2012 ignores the Navy's warning that the United States should have no fewer than 48 ...

On Jan. 20, 2001, the day President George Bush was sworn into office, the United States Navy consisted of 315 ships. Despite the president's professed support for a strong national defense, by September 2006 that fleet had fallen in size to 276, driven by anemic shipbuilding budgets in that timeframe. This past January, the president submitted a budget to Congress that continues this decline with a proposed seven new ships to be built in 2008. Given the shelf life of an average ship as 30 years, simple math demonstrates that his policies will result in a U.S. Navy with a total fleet size of 210 ships in a short period of time.

It may be that some observers and military planners support this policy and the resulting effect it will have on American national security and our shipbuilding industrial base. However, the downward trend of the Navy is not happening in the context of a real debate about maritime security threats now and in the future, but rather it is happening as a consequence of the expanding, voracious demands of the war in Iraq.

To put this into perspective, the newest class of attack submarines, the Virginia program built in Connecticut, was scheduled to be produced at a modest two-sub-a-year clip starting in 2002 at a cost of $2.5 billion per submarine. That schedule has been pushed back over and over again to 2012, by the Pentagon and the last few Congresses despite the progress sub manufacturers have made in reducing the cost per boat. This has occurred at the same time we are spending $9 billion a month in Iraq and at the same time the Chinese Navy is producing 2.5 submarines per year.

Retirement takes its toll
During the height of the Cold War in the 1980s, the United States Navy was building up to five new submarines per year. Obviously, the maritime threat was vastly different in that era and the goal was to have a fleet of 100 submarines. It is important to note that our present fleet of 52 submarines is a holdover from that time.

Just as rapidly as the Los Angeles-class submarines of that era were built during the 1980s, so too will be the rapid rate at which they will be retired in the next decade. That is when the real impact of the president's shipbuilding budgets from 2001 to the present will emerge in the form of a shrunken Navy.

The Navy's official position is that a fleet of fewer than 48 submarines will put our nation at risk as other nations such as China are rapidly accelerating their submarine programs.

A nation left vulnerable
The president's current plan to build just one new Virginia-class submarine per year through 2012 ignores the Navy's warning that the United States should have no fewer than 48, since the president's plan results in a dip far below that number, to 40 submarines for an extended period of time, leaving our nation's security quite vulnerable.

The president's neglect of our naval force not only jeopardizes America's status as a premier maritime power, but also has eroded the shipbuilding work force of this nation that is holding on by its fingernails.  Over the last two years, about 2,000 workers have lost their jobs at Groton's Electric Boat facility due to the anemic one-sub-a-year building program. Given the skills required for submarine production, these jobs are not easy to replicate. As an admiral recently stated to me, the unique team of designers and builders have a set of skills that exceed those of the scientists and engineers that make up our space program. They are able to create a vessel that keeps 150 sailors alive for up to 120 days at a time in conditions that otherwise would not support human life.

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The draining costs of the war in Iraq have an impact on our nation's domestic needs and on our defense infrastructure. Make no mistake about it — the Bush budget and his war policies will jeopardize further losses to a uniquely skilled work force that our national security infrastructure will not be able to reconstitute overnight.

This past week the House of Representatives approved a $588 million investment in the initial components of an additional Virginia-class nuclear submarine, which is what I have advocated for in Congress since I was first sworn into office. This is a good first step toward developing a more robust submarine force and funding two submarines per year. This summer, the House will be asked to consider funding last week's authorization, for which I will continue to fight. We must reverse the trend of a diminished naval force.

Royal Navy orders new submarine
A nuclear-powered submarine to be called HMS Audacious was ordered yesterday.  It is the first time the Royal Navy has had a warship with this name since the First World War. The last was a battleship that was mined and sunk in 1914.

The latest incarnation is the fourth of the Astute class, which will replace Swiftsure and Trafalgar class boats. The first three, HMS Astute, HMS Ambush, and HMS Artful, all built by BAE Systems, will cost a total of £3.65 billion. The first of them, HMS Astute, is to be launched next month.

The 7,800-tonne Astute class submarines are the largest and most powerful attack submarines ever built in Britain. They are 320ft (97m) in length and equipped with Tomahawk cruise missiles and Spearfish torpedoes.

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Sydney's submarine mystery
The latest chapter in an enduring sea mystery is being played out a few kilometres off a Sydney beach.Navy divers are scouring the wreck of one of three Japanese midget submarines from World War II. They're using still and video cameras to record everything they see to help piece together the last movements of the submarine and its two-man crew.

It's revived memories of the day 65-years ago when the sub sank a Sydney Harbour Ferry and killed 21 people.

The submarine is in depths so great the divers only have between 10 and 15 minutes to gather their footage and to cut away fishing nets covering the Japanese midget submarine.

The divers are also cutting their way through 65-years of history. Helping historians and archaeologists to go back to when the subs last cut through the water during World War II. hree of them brought Sydney to its knees. Terrorising the population as they made their way up the Harbour in search of key war targets.

The midget submarines here had only been used once before and that was at Pearl Harbour just six months before.  So when they turned up on Sydney's doorstep the authorities were very, very keen to find out about them in terms of their technological aspects, their speed, the armament, the operating systems. A lot of intelligence study was done of the two recovered midgets and of course the third one had got away and was never found.

The wreck was only found last year and the good news is that the hull is undamaged, so pristine that divers are carefully trying to find the undetonated demolition charges before poking around inside. The Heritage Office is still researching the size and nature of the scuttling charges. We know there were two on board the submarines used in the Sydney attack. We know they haven't been fired because the hull is in tact. And in terms of the management of the wreck it's very important to know where those charges are likely to be and also their potential volatility.

Even though at this stage the wreck is not planned to be moved in any way, we need just to do a risk analysis, a risk assessment of the state of those charges. And they are likely to be considerable, up to 135 kilograms of TNT we believe.

Today's explorations have given further hope that the two submariners Sub Lieutenant Katsuhisa Ban and Petty Officer Mamoru Ashibe may lie entombed within their craft. Divers are treating the wreck as if the crew are on board and there is some evidence that they are likely to be. They key element at the moment is the access ladder which the crew needed to pull down from the conning tower area into the control room so they could climb out of the craft, is still in its up or stowed position, which indicates that they didn't attempt to exit the craft.

Fresh from the shower, a woman stands in front of the mirror complaining to her husband that her breasts are too small. Instead of characteristically telling her it's not so, he uncharacteristically comes up with a suggestion.  "If you want your breasts to grow, then every day take a piece of toilet paper and rub it between them for a few seconds".

Willing to try anything, the wife fetchs a piece of toilet paper and stands in front of the mirror, rubbing it between her breasts. "How long will this take?" she asked.  "They will grow larger over a period of years," the husband replies. The wife stopps. "Do you really think rubbing a piece of toilet paper between my breasts every day will make my breasts larger over the years?"

Without missing a beat the husband says "Worked for your arse didn't it?"

He's still alive, and with a great deal of therapy, he may even walk again although he will probably continue to take his meals through a straw.

 
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Come on Boof, it is bed time, let us go and read the latest chapter of Mills and Boon.............

 

Sunday, 20th MAY 2007

I have just returned from the WA Branch AGM and reluctantly handed over the roles of Secretary and Treasurer as my move to Queensland rapidly approaches.  There is an upside though, one less role to take up my time.  No job, no Committee responsibilities, I will not know what to do with myself, maybe a small yacht to join the Airlie Beach mob for the occasional beer?  Navigation may be a problem, I cannot read maps, although I understand that these GPS things are pretty good.  Mind you, I had a fight with the tart on one I had in a rented car, she abused me for turning too early into the wrong street.  Do the boat ones talk to you?

Good to see so many  familiar faces at the AGM, some have been missing for a while due to business commitments and overseas jaunts.  Lloyd Blake (re-elected VP) and Peter Horobin have returned and it was good to see them at the meeting.  A good turn up overall and it was also good to see that most brought their charming wives.  Roger Hardwicke (re-elected President) has been given his riding orders for the National Committee AGM in Adelaide.

Around the Traps

Terry Parsons sent the following email. "I have just had a call from Portland VIC suggesting that a Collins Class Submarine is on the surface, with around “40 crew” standing on the casing and smoke billowing from the submarine? Is this an ORE or is there a problem?" I was able to advise that I had not seen any signals at work and suggested that it was not a problem.  Portland had a similar incident a few years ago, reporting HMAS Waller billowing smoke which turned out to be the exhaust.  It was the same again, this time with Rankin. The following item, written by Sarah Scopelianos from the Warrnambool Standard was accompanied by a photo taken by Bob McPherson.

Navy submarine's appearance creates a stir
An unexpected visit from a navy submarine in waters off Portland created a stir yesterday among several onlookers who thought the vessel was on fire.  However, the Royal Australian Navy doused claims of a fire by revealing the smoke was created by the vessel's diesel motor.

The 78-metre submarine, HMAS Rankin, with its crew aboard, came to the surface near Anderson's Point about 10am to collect supplies.

Witnesses told The Standard smoke appeared to be billowing out the back of the submarine as its crew stood on the deck.  A navy spokesman said Portland was the nearest place the crew could make a boat transfer and ``collect bits and pieces''.

Marg Baker from Clifftop Accommodation said when the submarine appeared a form of vapour could be seen and it had attracted a lot of attention from passers-by. She said with binoculars people could see the crew walking on the top deck.

Submarine a crowd puller at IMDEX Asia
Satish Cheney for Singapore's Channel NewsAsia wrote "HMAS Farncomb, a submarine from Australia, is one of the most popular exhibits at the International Maritime Defence Exhibition (IMDEX) Asia."

Like a giant whale in the ocean, it is a spectacular sight at the Changi Naval Base.  Weighing around 3,000 tonnes, the sub is close to 80 metres long.  And the only way inside is through a tiny hole.  Besides having to get used to narrow passageways, the crew would almost never know the time unless they are lucky enough to peer through the periscope.

Commander Mark Hammond, HMAS Farncomb, said: "There are obviously clocks throughout the submarine but for some of the guys who work in the engineering spaces, they tell the time based on what meal is being served – whether its bacon and eggs for breakfast or a roast for lunch or curry for dinner."

And once in a while, the crew really know how to let loose. Hammond said: "Between exercises, particular in home waters, you may be able to surface the submarine and set a BBQ on the top." Still, it can be quite hard to beat homesickness, despite a good entertainment system on board to watch movies or play cards.

Alan & Janice Mooney reported "Janice and I went to Bright in Victoria for a holiday and on the way we stopped at the HMAS Otway exhibition on Monday 14th May 07. We were extremely impressed with the work and the overall display that has been built for our future children to remember those that have and do serve in the RAN and in particular submarines. There was even a picture of Cox'n "honest" John Curtain without a sign saying who it is. I could even point out a picture of John Rana.

We believe that the wives that were imported from Scotland and the training that we obtained has been forgotten, as part of our history. Ask Terry Wyatt (Coyote) I am sure that he could talk and talk about the experience that had been gained over the years.

The exhibition is also good publicity for the Navy because people also want to know about the Collins class submarine.

On our return (18th May 07) today we stopped at the cafe and had breakfast, very impressed well run, food great and also with some submarine fry ups on the menu. All in all BZ. Several buses arrived to see over the exhibition while we were there."


There is a Beagles reunion in NSW on 9th June 2007. Those that are interested in attending the Reunion at the Riverwood Legion Club 1830 - 2359 Saturday 9 June 2007 call Kevin (Mitch) Miller on 02 4628 6840 RSVP before 25 May 2007.  There is another at Garden Island (Western Australia) on the 29th September 2007.  Visit the Western Australian Beagle Bash website, Its great, check it out.

Ken Brazier was taken to Hospital on the Sunshine Coast early this month, he is not too bad now and is at home, but it apparently was serious when they took him in. Get well quick mate.

Dave Luck sent this photo taken while on a periscope photography course at the RN Air Station at Lossiemouth (Scotland) while standing by Onslow. He asked "Is Bernie Clark asleep, or just bored?  And who is that young, slim, damn good looking CSAW in the back row?"  Not sure, but if they enjoyed the course as much as I did while standing by Ovens, Bernie is suffering. I was a Kellick at the time and was pissed from the time I arrived till the time I left. The night I arrived the Officer in charge of the tot issue was a birdie that had been on exchange posting to Australia and he sent me around the buoy a few times, had to be poured into bed. I never mastered the black art of photography.

I was surprised to see that defence commemorated the completion of restoration work on 12 heritage homes at HMAS Creswell in Jervis Bay, NSW. The homes, which are typical bungalow-style houses of the Federation period and designed by John Smith Murdoch, have been given a $4.5 million face-lift.  A spokesman said “Defence Housing Australia is proud today to be welcoming a Defence family to the last of the refurbished residences to be completed under this program.  Much work has been undertaken to bring the homes up to the community standard, but also to manage and maintain them with regard to their very important heritage value.” And I thought my renovations were expensive!

Bloody greenies, isn't there a Chief Greeny out there to control the rabble. Boot Hatfield (Victorian Secretary) is picking on a Queensland greeny and I am sure that this will create problems. "Bung, good to see Pee Wee Petherick has finally broke the strings and found a typewriter to put something in Up Periscope. Wonder if he remembers tripping around Scotland in an old Vanguard? There are a few stories I could relate about him if he wants ! . . . Stories of 'Freddies' bar, nights out in London etc etc. Hope he can make it to South Australia, although at his age, the poor old fella probably doesn't move around a lot . . . took me all my time to keep him motivated in 'boats' as it was. The only greeny who had to be given a map to find the for'd battery hatch!!!"  As we were all Ovens plankowners I feel I must defend 'Pee Wee's honour.  I always found him to be hardworking, clean and honest (occasionally) and more importantly, Australian.  I am not sure if any of these describe Boot. 

In response to my message about having email problems last week Rick Fishbourne wrote "Go on, tell the truth you old bastard.....you are ignoring us!!   Just keep fighting the good fight there, Brother Norm, Hey I was just reading on a Scientific site that in many cases Humans can just as easily receive transfusions of Chickens blood, as Human blood. The only side effect is that it makes blokes more Cocky, however it does make Women lay better." That's him on my email black list!!!

Benny Hill confirmed the item regarding the tanky and the lolly. "Interesting story here Norm. Said eye happened to be a Gob stopper. After said surgical procedure the said Gob stopper was put in a pigeon hole in the grot. The next morning it had disappeared. Investigation revealed that the Tanky had eaten it, a fact he continually denied, until the enclosed photo was shown to said Tanky. Tanky last seen gagging as he ran to the gash bin."

Memorial Service -CPO Coxswain Gordon Selby
The Royal Navy Submarine Museum has organised a memorial service for CPO Coxn Gordon Selby DSM and Bar BEM at the Holy Trinity Church Gosport at 1600 on Friday 6 July 2007 The Service will take place before the AGM of the Friends of the Museum which will take place in the museum that evening.  If you wish to attend please inform Colin Way the Museum Secretary on 02392 510354 etn 225 or email admin@rnsubmus.co.uk.

Derek Walsh (a volunteer at the Sydney Maritime museum) wrote "Now there's a turn up for the book. I was only thinking about Derick Ramsdale last week. I thought he was still back in UK. Had know Idea of his address or that he was in OZ.  Reading 'Up Periscope' here he turns up. not too crook I hope. I have already had the unfortunate circumstance of finding the addresses of old shipmates only to find out they had recently passed on. Perhaps you could do the honours Norm you may know the best method to get these photo's taken on Acheron and my address to him, it may save the old bastard.  On the photo he is on the right (Both pictures) miself standing next to him."  What a motley bunch they were................Derrick is still in intensive care and Buster Keating has dropped in to see him.

Ralph returns from the doctor and tells his wife that the doctor has told him he has only 24 hours to live. Given this prognosis, Ralph asks his wife for sex.  Naturally, she agrees, and they make love.

About six hours later, the husband goes to his wife and says, "Honey, you know I now have only 18 hours to live. Could we please do it one more time?" Of course, the wife agrees and they do it again. Later, as the man gets into bed, he looks at his watch and realizes he now has only 8 hours left.

He touches his wife's shoulder and asks, "Honey, please... just one more time before I die?" She says, "Of course, Dear."

And they make love for the third time. After this session, the wife rolls over and falls asleep.
Ralph, however, worried about his impending death, tosses & turns until he's down to 4 more hours.  He taps his wife, who rouses. "Honey, I have only 4 more hours. Do you
think we could.....?"

At this point the wife sits up and says, "Listen, Ralph, I have to get up in the morning...You don't."


Can you help...................
Ken Horn asks. "I have been contacted by the son of the late Charlie Cousins. He is very keen to get hold of any photos or copy of photos that include his father. Would you be
able to help in any way ie included in your monthly mail, or any other way that you may think would be better."
We tried a year or so ago to get some photos, but no luck.  If anyone has a photo please contact me.

John Godfrey (ex RN) of Perthshire, Scotland is after some assistance. "My grandfather, Stoker 1st Class Henry Fulcher, was one of the few survivors following the disastrous events that took place and the Battle of May Island on the night of January 31st 1918. I have been looking for a photograph that shows K17 or their crew and whilst I have found photographs of most of that class from K1 to K26 I cannot seem to find any photographic evidence of K17 whatsoever. Please can you help?" If you can assist, please contact me.

Geoff Piesse also visited Holbrook and sent the following request. "Robyn and I were invited down to Holbrook recently to attend the official opening of the Control Room and Ducks Arse. They have done a magnificent job when you consider what they started with and it is highly authentic. I find it quite amusing that it was Ian Taber who built Otway as the wrecker was also the builder of the new control room of the same submarine all those years later. Ian looked terrific and was his normal modest self saying that he did not have much to do with it……..sure Ian!.

Anyway they have a working attach periscope with part of a search periscope occular box. As this is one of the main features of the Control Room and naturally every one wants to look through it they have asked me if I can track down a complete forward periscope occular box. I note that Toff Idrus and Bronco Ogrizac and now Captains - could they help are do you know who I should start with. Both these boys visited Holbrook in the 80’s and I am sure have happy memories. I understand you have nothing else to do but if you can steer this old tiffy in the right direction I would be grateful…………"
  I am chasing down a couple of possibilities, but I think the chances are slim.  Can anyone help?

1977 vs. 2007 - For some of you (like me) this is all so true. For some of you just wait a few years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1977: Long hair. 2007: Longing for hair
1977: Moving to Queensland because it's cool. 2007: Moving to Queensland because it's warm
1977: Trying to look like Marlon Brando. 2007: Trying NOT to look like Marlon Brando
1977: Seeds and stems. 2007: Roughage
1977: The Grateful Dead. 2007: Dr. Kevorkian
1977: Going to a new, hip joint. 2007: Receiving a new hip joint
1977: Rolling Stones. 2007: Kidney Stones
1977: Screw the system. 2007: Upgrade the system
1977: Passing the drivers' test. 2007: Passing the vision test

Talking about old tarts, Ken (Robbie) Robinson is visiting the West this week and I may even be able to get a beer out of him.  "I will be visiting STSC next Tues (22nd) and will be staying with my daughter and grandchildren on the week-end (19th & 20th) in Secret Harbour. I will attempt to get to your AGM on the Sunday and have a few beers with mates I haven't seen for awhile, if I do make it I won't be eating lunch (as I'm not a big lunch eater)." I understand mate, lunch takes up room in the gut that is better saved for beer. Robbie attended the AGM but I did not get a beer out of him.

Ahoy All, The Submariners Association of Canada current Newsletter is available on-line for your perusal ... Bob Emery (for SAOC West) added "Shiver Me Timbers' Norm. Contrary to your March 2007 Chief's Log ... 'it be true that I do have a peg leg & go round with a parrot on me shoulder"

Paddy's pregnant sister was in a terrible car accident and went into deep coma. After being in the coma for nearly six months, she wakes up and sees that she is no longer pregnant. Frantically, she asks the doctor about her baby. The doctor replies, "Ma'am, you had twins..... a boy and a girl. The babies are fine now. However, they were poorly at birth and had to be christened immediately - your brother Paddy came in and named them.

The woman thinks to herself, "Oh suffering Jesus no, not me brother...he's a fecking clueless idiot. Expecting the worst, she asks the doctor, "Well, what's my daughter's name?"  "Denise," says the doctor.  The new mother is somewhat relieved. "Wow, that's a beautiful name. I guess I was wrong about Paddy....I like Denise. " Then she asks, "What's the boy's name?"

"Denephew" replied the doctor.

Turkey's underwater archeological treasures and challenges
Turkey's archeological riches are not limited to those under the earth. Surrounded by seas on three sides, Turkey attracts the curiosity of many local and foreign researchers with its underwater archeology.  In addition to many remains from antiquity, there are battleships and submarines from the World Wars I and II in the dark waters of Turkish seas. Underwater archeology researcher Selçuk Kolay complains about the lack of interest in our sunken treasures under the sea.

Kolay stated that the price of scrap iron rose with industrialization activities between the years 1960 and 1975. As a result of illegal diving to underwater historical remains, sunken ships were stripped and the pieces of iron were melted and resold. Saying that it is easy to dive to the sunken material that is up to forty meters underwater, Kolay commented, “Many important sunken objects were stripped in the vicinity of Istanbul. If some of these were opened to diving tourism, it would make a contribution to the country's economy greater than that of industry.” Kolay emphasized that some of this stripping was illegal and some of it was done as a result of bidding allowed by the government.

An engineer at the same time, Selçuk Kolay is interested in ships from the Steam Age. Diving in Turkey and many other countries in the world, Kolay located the Midilli Kurvazörü, which came from Germany and entered World War I under the Turkish flag and six German submarines used in World War II. After that he found the German submarine UB46 in the Black Sea and the Australian submarine AE2, which sank during World War I in the Karaburun waters of the Marmara Sea. Contributing to the locating and inventory of many sunken objects, Kolay found the remains of the Turkish submarine Atılay and the Russian ship Yvestafy in 1994 in the Aegean Sea. Indicating that the Atılay ran into a mine left over from World War I while diving near Morto Bay in 1942, Kolay went to Japan as an expert on steamships to participate in investigation of the Ertuğrul frigate. Selçuk Kolay is a member of the Turkish Institute of Nautical Archeology (TINA) Board of Directors and a member of the Institute of Nautical Archeology (INA).

The sunken remains Kolay located possess great historical importance. The most important of these are the Australian Submarine AE2 and the six German submarines that targeted Russian ships and ports during World War II. The AE2 was the first enemy ship to enter the Marmara Sea from Dardanelle. Kolay says that with a forty-man team that will come from Australia in September, they will carry out an investigation and gather data on the final condition of the AE2 and then bring the submarine to the surface using a special method. An offer was made to sell the German submarines to Turkey during İsmet İnönü's time, but it was rejected. In view of this development, the Germans removed the crew and, to prevent the submarines from being used by the Turks, they sank three of them at the mouth of the Sakarya River and three of them near Ağva. Kolay mentioned that the commander of the German sub-marines, Rodolf Arendt, is still alive and that he talks with him.

The Marmara Sea is quite rich from an archeological perspective
Beginning to become interested in technical antiques when he was at the Berlin Technical University, Kolay said, “Approximately 200 years have passed since the age of steam and underwater steamship archeology has developed.” Indicating that the definition of underwater archeology is not very different from that of land archeology, Kolay stated that the only difference is ships belonging to ancient times and investigations of settlements that have remained underwater.

Mentioning the importance of being able to make mathematical calculations and analysis on technical subjects while diving, Kolay emphasized that his engineering training was also advantageous in underwater archeological investigations regarding the Steam Age. “In the end, the steam age is a technical age. It is very appropriate in regard to training and mind-set for an engineer to investigate a topic related to technique and mechanics.” Kolay pointed out that there are many remains in the Marmara Sea, in particular, from ancient times and World War I.

The Black Sea provides insulation with its formation
Saying, “Things are found on a desk, not where they sank,” Kolay said that before the investigation begins, he first narrows down the area on the map and then concentrates on the target region. Because things do not move far from where they sank, it is possible for him to make correct location approximations. Kolay talked about the underwater conditions that protect sunken objects: “Salinity, oxygen and light are factors that affect sheet-iron in particular. On the other hand, sandy areas protect the area the sunken objects sit on and provide insulation from external influences. The best-protected remains are those in muddy and clay bottoms like in the Black Sea.

Pointing out that Turkish deep waters are becoming more and more polluted, Kolay says that the layer of mud increasing day by day is eliminating the sandy area. Investigating with special permission from the Ministry of Culture and the General Headquarters of the Monuments Museum, Selçuk Kolay indicated that there are many untouched sunken objects in places far from settlements in the Mediterranean and Aegean seas and near the central and eastern part of the Black Sea. He concluded that the treasure believed to be at the bottom of the Golden Horn is just a legend.   This article appeared in the Turkish Daily News.

Retired vice admiral may head Indian navy's nuclear submarine (ATV) project
India's nuclear-powered submarine (SSN) programme, also commonly referred to as the advanced technology vessel (ATV) project, is expected to get a new chief sometime in the coming months. The most likely replacement for vice admiral PC Bhasin, the current director general of the highly classified ATV project, will be vice admiral AK Singh, recently retired FOC-in-C of the Indian Navy's eastern naval command, according to defence officials who did not wish to be quoted.

The ATV project, it is now being revealed, has been directly under the prime minister's oversight, and has so far been headed by retired naval officers. This subterfuge has allowed the navy, and the country's defence establishment, to feign ignorance about the existence of such a project.

Admiral AK Singh is a submariner, who, in his previous commands, has also headed the country's only tri-service Andaman and Nicobar command as well as the Coast Guard.
He also commanded the INS Chakra, the former Soviet Charlie-I class SSN, which the Indian navy leased for three years till 1991 in order to gain operational experience with nuclear powered submarines.

Reports now have it that the ATV project may be commissioned around 2011-12, following sea trials that may occur a couple of years earlier, in the 2009-11 period.

The oft-referred to, but never publicly acknowledged, ATV programme is being undertaken at Visakhapatnam under the joint supervision of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and the Department of Atomic Energy (DAE) ever since 1976, just two years after the country conducted its first underground atomic test.

Meanwhile, Indian defence and atomic scientists, now claim to have made the ATV's reactor "fully operational." According to reports, the 100 MW reactor developed jointly by the DAE, DRDO, and the navy, went critical in October 2004, at Kalpakkam near Chennai. Reports also suggest that a miniaturised version was now under construction for integration into the ATV at Visakhapatnam.

According to defence sources, the proto-type testing centre at Kalpakkam will be used to test the submarine's turbines and propellers, whilst a similar facility at Visakhapatnam will run trials on its main turbines and gearbox.  According to officials, enriched uranium fuel for the reactor was supplied by the Rare Materials Project (RMP) facility, based at Ratnahalli near Mysore.

South Korea to develop 3,000-ton submarine
South Korea's defense ministry decided Wednesday to develop a class of 3,000-ton submarines using its own technology by 2018, and to build nine such subs by 2021.

In a defense project meeting presided over by Defense Minister Kim Jang-soo, attendees approved the investment of 2.5 trillion won (US$2.7 billion) into the development of a 3,000-ton submarine by 2018 and the construction of eight more by 2021.

Time for dinner mate, lets get outta here!
 

Sunday, 13th MAY 2007 - MUM'S DAY

Where would we be without Mum's? Enjoy the love and comfort of yours on this special Day.  Let her enjoy this day by putting up with her moaning and sniping, her put downs and the million other things that annoy you, after all it is only one day, a fair reward for all the rap that she put up with you while growing up.

For those Mum's that are are ill or no longer with us, give a special prayer. I lost my mother many years ago, a strong woman who gave more than she got and deserved to live much longer, but we cannot argue with God's logic. She gave unconditional love, but it was tough love too, you stuffed up and it was you that paid that had to get yourself up and running again.  I find that I miss her for the small things, those little (?) arguments over things that we disagreed on (such as politics and me joining the Navy etc), her wisdom and her cooking (I used to ring at all odd hours for a recipe), but most of all her love. So come on guys, turn off the football, make it HER Day.

The new site is going through teething troubles, but it is getting there. It will evolve on a daily basis as I fine tune, edit and add to it over the next few months.  I would liked the transfer to have happened when I retired but circumstances intervened and I thought that it was "Time".  I now run the two sites, the Submarines Association Australia site and MY site Up Periscope.  An expensive and time consuming exercise, but it will be worth it in the long run.

The site has some new features and some of the old ones that had been put to pasture are being re-instated.  We now have a new section called 'Hello...." and in it we have a live chat room, a Forum and a Guestbook.  To keep spammers out you need to register for the Forum and Chat room and I encourage visitors to report any offensive material or spam.

Both sites are inter-linked and have many common sections, but they are separate and this should take away the pressure on the National President to censor me for airing my opinions which, by the way, he refused to do when requested. 

The last few weeks has been potentially damaging to the Association, something that nobody anticipated. I was overwhelmed by the support that my stance received. Not counting the numerous email generated by the National Committee on the subject I received 230 plus email and in that only 2 that did not support my position.  The bottom line was that the majority believed everyone had a right to air their opinions, as long as there was a right of reply, it contained no offensive material or personal attack. I have been unable to respond to all the email, so thanks.

It is time we all moved on, get behind the Association and support the Executive, they need it.

I have been doing this week's Log between bouts of cleaning the yard, gardens and garage in preparation for the sale.  The house went on the market this week, but now that I have done the hundreds of little jobs that I have been putting off it is looking great.  Maybe I should stay?

I was typing in all the Birthday boys' names today and looked at the horoscope and was amazed at how accurate it was for those listed that I know, especially the techos. Uncanny.  I may have missed sending a few cards this week, accidentally wiped the list so if you didn't get one, Happy Birthday!

If you have any comments or articles for the site please let me know.  I may not get them online straight away, but I will get them there as soon as time permits.

Around the Traps

Jim Moon wrote "Please find better pic of Trap 1 (ex Holbrook mock-up) for your site which actually has a seat on it as against Blue-tac. I have an in-depth knowledge of O-boat heads (being ex-wrecker) and am actually considering going on master Mind and using Oberon toilets as a Quiz Subject.
Keep up the good work, mate..." 
Thanks Jim, looks much cleaner than any I seen on a boat.

I will have another drinking partner in Queensland, Jim Taaffe is moving over and asked "Could you please forward advice on how to change from the WA Branch to the Queensland branch." I forwarded this on to the branch with a request to send an application to me too, as I am looking forward to having a few drinks with the boys when I move over full time in July.  Jim also has some old uniforms and pt 3 books if anyone is interested, just let me know.

Need a lift to SUBCON?  Bob Allan is driving to the Adelaide Subcon from Penrith NSW and has a couple of spare seats. He is not asking for any costs, just a bit of company. He will be leaving Penrith about 0500 Thursday 7 June, stopping at Mildura over night, and arriving Adelaide sometime Friday 8 June. He plans to leave Adelaide 12 June, and may stop anywhere en route to Penrith, arrive in Penrith sometime Wednesday 13 June. Bob can be contacted on 0411077315.

Had a phone call from Queensland member Dave 'Pee Wee' Petherick who wrote "...... I hope I can get down for at least the meeting in June, if nothing else, as Chrissie has just had her pacemaker fitted and is still having some problems. She went back into hospital on Saturday night but is back home now after they stabilised her. We had the cadets sailing up at Baroon Pocket Dam on the weekend, but unfortunately I could not stay up there with them, but only went up for a couple of hours. I have two instructors from the Noosa cadets, who looked after my lot, one of them you might know, Gerry Gwyn, I think he was a Chief Tiffy, but I think he was Electrical. Hey, I liked that bit in the Log about Boot Hatfield, ha ha, about time someone put shit on him !!!!!!!!. Anyway mate, I will catch up with you sooner or later, and I've given Joyce Kennedy from Bauple some advice on what to expect from her new neighbour when he arrives up there !!!!!!!..Bye for now."  Our thoughts and wishes for a speedy recovery for Chrissy.  Joyce is one of Pee Wee's cadet unit and soon to be a neighbour, had better watch my P's and Qs.

Terry 'Coyote' Wyatt wrote "Back in warm Cairns after a quick business/tourist trip to the south. Had a couple of nights in Canberra, run into Brian Coultas and had a few beers with him. Canberra with the drought (the worst in 205 years) is the dryest I have seen it, but a least it was raining whilst we were there, not sure if was enough but it was a start. We spent time at Huskinson and Nowra both quite cool places. We did the one full on day shopping in Mirada Fair before heading home. All this was a trial for our next venture in few weeks time. PS even Nowra has a Bunnings."

In a follow up email Coyote asked "When you come to Queensland you will get some strange holidays dates, today is Labour day, so nothing happens, and the good news its raining just enough to freshen the lawn up. I will be going to Townsville in late July to our next NQSAA meeting, by the way the venue is near Bunning’s, Spotlight and a major Outdoor camping shop, so that will please all that come. I know where Helen will be it’s the biggest Spotlight shop she has seen.  hope your health hangs out for the big shift and changes to come, Like us Vinny and Sally did well out of us, BE ruthless when thinning out, we were too gentle."   Ruthless I am being, have spent many hours in the garage shuffling piles of stuff that is being disposed of, however have not actually been strong enough to take any to the tip yet.

"ARRHH NORM !!! HAR BE YAR LINK TO THAR CURRENT SAOC WEST ON-LINE NEWSLETTER ... YARS AYE NORM & AVAST MATEY !!!! BOB (for SAOC West)"  Strange fellows these Canadians, but put out a good newsletter.

A video of the arrival of the second submarine in Cape Town for the South African Defence Force is quite interesting.  They arrived in style to a 21 gun salute.  What was interesting was that it shows that they too have female crew.

Ex Coxswain Phil Thompson sent a photo (which I have cropped in the interest of modesty) of what I thought was him carrying out a short arm inspection on Benny Hill, witnessed by Snake Apps on Otama.  I offered not to print the photo for a small fee, and I am waiting for a response before I print it, I need the money. However, I did receive this explanation from Snake "Seems that Phil hasn't explained the photo. Benny was showing us where he kept his lollies. Not long after the photo was taken, the messman stole and ate the one that Benny had bell-ended."  Surely you mean lolly Snake, the container does not look big enough to carry more than one. I can only say I am happy that today's senior sailors are more respectable than these shown in the picture. 

ANNUAL NEOLOGISM CONTEST
Once again, The Washington Post has published the winning submissions to its yearly contest, in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings forcommon words. The winners are:
01. Coffee (n.), the person upon whom one coughs.
02. Flabbergasted (adj.), appalled over how much weight you have gained
03. Abdicate (v.), to give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach.
04. Esplanade (v.), to attempt an explanation while drunk.
05. Willy-nilly (adj.), impotent.
06. Circumvent (n.), an opening in the front of boxer shorts worn by Jewishmen.
07. Lymph (v.), to walk with a lisp.
08. Gargoyle (n.), olive-flavored mouthwash.
09. Flatulence (n.) emergency vehicle that picks you up after you are run over by a steamroller.
10. Balderdash (n.), a rapidly receding hairline.
11. Testicle (n.), a humorous question on an exam.
12. Rectitude (n.), the formal, dignified bearing adopted by proctologists.
13. Pokemon (n), a Rastafarian proctologist.
14. Oyster (n.), a person who sprinkles his conversation with 'Yiddishisms'

Lloyd Blake, our WA Vice President is back after his extended period soaking up the wines of France. He wrote "I am now back in town and you will be surprised know I only brought one bottle of wine home with me." 

Henry Cook, the ACT Patron had a major eye operation a month ago and still has a very obtrusive gas bubble in the right eye. He hopes to be able to drive again soon, he says it is rather tedious being virtually housebound for so long. Henry managed to get to the Anzac Day parade by courtesy of his daughter, but he decided not to march this year. "Being unable to drive for a month is, I suppose, a small price to pay for not going blind!" It certainly is Henry, hope things are improving.

Peter 'Arab' Clark, in response to an email telling him so put a URL in his 'Favourites' responded "With all due respect this tiffie has read this In Depth (pun) and can't find any details about blowing snort exhaust or the fact that I thought a URL was what teenage kids tried to sneak into under sixteen parties. I shall ring Bubbles Boyce and get him to explain it to me in stoker language. In the mean time, I'm sneaking back onto the occasional Guinness which will eventually take over from the bloody body bombs these upstart Part 3 Coxswains keep feeding me. I'm sure if the op hadn't been where it was, a coxswain prescribed Aspro and bandaid stuck to the forehead, followed by some 'private' time in trap one would of cleared the current problems. I am working up back at work with half to 3/4 days at present, re-iterate, if you have an NSN for cancer, don't use it !"  It is good to see that Arab is on the road to recovery.

WA Branch AGM - 20th May
The Annual General Meeting will be held on 20th May at 1100 followed by lunch.  Members, visitors and guests are invited to attend, the meals at the SYC are great, what's better than a quiet drink by the river.  The venue will be the Swan Yacht Club in Fremantle. This meeting will vote on SAA (WA)'s position on Notices of Motions and National Executive nominations for the National AGM. It is important that we have numbers attending by 14th May for catering purposes.

All positions become vacant at the AGM and nominations are required. As I will be leaving the state later this year I will not be nominating for office, so please consider volunteering for the secretary or Treasurer's position. Remember, you must be a financial member of the SAA to be a member of the WA Branch. The WA Branch does not impose fees for membership. If you are not a Member, please consider. Agenda Items and nominations for Office Bearers are required by 11th May.

US SUBVETS Annual Memorial Service
The annual US SUBVETS memorial service will be held on 27th May 2007 at Albany. An invitation has been received from the Albany council and those that attended last year I hear that a good time was had by all. So why not make a weekend of it and join the group that is attending this year. Names to me as soon as possible please so that arrangements can be finalised.

Buster Keating reminds us that US SM's first went to Albany on St Patrick's Day, 1942, with the arrival of USS Holland (SM tender), under Capt James Fife, accompanied by 5 US SM's. AIF gunners at the Albany Forts had not been told they were coming & almost opened fire, when they saw the 'star spangled banner', in the 'nick of time'; USS Pelias (SM tender), arrived in Albany on 23 July, from the States & relieved Holland, who then returned to Fremantle.

On 20th June SKIPJACK fired 3 exercise MK 14 torpedoes against a large fishing net, strung across the mouth of Frenchman's Bay (these torpedoes were running 10ft deeper then set); these trials were repeated on 18th July by USS Saury.

On the 27th October Pelias & remaining SM's all returned to Fremantle (in the period July to Sept, some 11 US Fleet SM's, had been transferred from Fremantle to Brisbane, to relieve their old 'S' class boats there); in the period between March to October 1942, a total of 31 USN SM's visited Albany for maintenance & R&R; apart from tying up alongside the SM tender, they also used the town jetty & the quarantine station jetty (the quarantine station was also taken over by the USN & used as a barracks).

All this info & the names of the other 29 SM's are in 'Fremantle's Secret Fleets', by Lynne Cairns; I think that when they first left Fremantle in March, the harbour was full & they needed to make some space; later RADM C Lockwood took advantage of Albany harbour's remoteness to conduct his torpedo trials; other the that they just conducted maintenance & R&R here; some torpedoes & other spares/supplies, etc, were freighted down by train, from Fremantle as required.

Later in Mar 44 when a Japanese attack against Fremantle was feared, SM tenders Otus & Pelias, were sent to Albany, but returned a week later.



Paul Hartridge wrote "As you know, I headed off to San Francisco in March to catch up with Kathy whom I met in 1985 in Disneyland whilst on the infamous HMAS Onslow 1985 ‘Deployment of a Lifetime’. It was almost like the past 20 odd years had flown by as we hit off really well. Saw the sights of San Francisco, met some of the guys onboard the USS Pampanito who I met through Rontini’s BBS and as I was lucky enough to have been invited to their 40th reunion back in ’85, I took a long a large set of Dolphins and presented it to them as a thank you for their hospitality all those years ago. Kathy and I saw Rod Stewart in concert and during the concert a woman fell and died from hitting her head, we were 5 rows from her and watched as they did the CPR unsuccessfully. I thought that was rather inconsiderate of her to do so in front of us.

Our next catch up is when she comes over to Perth in July, 21 years after I invited her – better late than never huh? We are meeting in Beijing for 3 days, evidently there is a pretty good wall she wants to see so I thought, ‘why not’, then down to Hong Kong for 3 days." 
She has improved with age Paul, but unfortunately you haven't.  Why the arm in the sling, was that to get the sympathy vote?

Federal Budget media releases
Federal Budget media releases and supporting information relating to the Defence portfolio have been loaded to the Department of Defence website. The information can be found by following this link.

RDFWA - Death of National President
The RDFWA mourns the death of it's National President, Commodore H J P Adams, OAM, RAN (Retd) and expresses its deepest sympathies to his family. The unexpected death of the was the result of being treated for a pulmonary embolism but the hospital had been confident that he was almost ready to be released for convalescence.

Vale - Bill Shadbolt
The UK Submarines Association has reported the death of its oldest member, Bill Shadbolt. Bill would have received a message from the Queen in this coming November, congratulating him on becoming a centurion.

W.C. (Bill) Shadbolt. L/Sea. N.K. ESSEX Age 99. S/M Service:- 1933-1945. Served in:- L56 Salmon Clyde Sea Lion Thames H33 Shark.

Vale - Dave Spencer

Dave Spencer of the UK Submarines Association Dolphin Branch has died in Cyprus of a long standing illness. He was interred on the 02/05/07 at the British Cemetery in Northern Cyprus. He has no N.O.K.

D.L. (Dave) Spencer. WO.(Coxn). DOLPHIN Branch. Age 59. Submarine Service:- 1970-1990.  Served in:- Revenge(S) (Superb Sceptre Trenchant Talent as Coxswain).

ADF TRANSITION MANAGEMENT – A TOP PRIORITY FOR DEFENCE
Effectively managing the health and wellbeing of all ADF members remains a top priority for Defence’s senior leaders, Minister for Veterans Affairs and Minister Assisting the Minister for Defence Bruce Billson said today. “There has been a lot of commentary about the challenges faced by ADF personnel when they leave the military for medical reasons,” Mr Billson said. “Defence has not been standing still and it has been working hard to find better ways to support those who have made valuable contributions in the service of their country.

“There are a range of programs such as the Defence Injury Prevention Program, the ADF Rehabilitation Program and the ADF Mental Health Strategy to help reduce the numbers of ADF personnel injured or harmed at work.

“All of these programs seek to actively manage the return to work of those who are injured or become ill as a result of their military service.

“Discharge from the ADF on medical grounds is always a last option and wherever possible, ADF members who no longer meet medical standards for their trade or profession are now offered the option of retraining to another employment category.

“This retraining option allows members to continue serving in the ADF and is a key feature of Defence’s rehabilitation program.

“Defence well recognises that ADF members discharging on medical grounds must also deal with a number of other Government departments and agencies such the Department of Veterans’ Affairs for compensation and ComSuper for superannuation benefits. Sometimes, the process of transitioning to civilian life and the support offered is at times not as good as it should be.

“Defence is working cooperatively with those agencies to streamline and improve the levels of service provided to embrace a streamlined, integrated and client-centred approach to transition management. “This approach will ensure that those members who are discharged on medical grounds are treated with care, consideration and compassion, with a focus on making their separation as uncomplicated and stress-free as possible.

“Effective and appropriate advice, rehabilitation support and assistance will also be delivered under the transition management scheme.” Mr Billson said.

Mr. Billson said that ADF members are also covered by a single comprehensive rehabilitation and compensation scheme that came into effect in July 2004. The scheme provides a range of treatment, rehabilitation and compensation options should ADF members suffer a physical or mental injury or contract an illness as a result of their military service. It also provides substantial benefits for death as a result of service. Other provisions apply for those who were injured or became ill prior to the new scheme coming into effect.

“Defence is committed to ensuring that the men and women of the ADF, and their families, are provided with an exemplary separation service that will result in a seamless transition from military to civilian life,” Mr. Billson said.  “The steps currently being taken to improve transition management for those who are ill or injured will also apply to all ADF members when they leave.”

'Arms race' leaving our subs all at sea
Tom Hyland, in an article for The Age on May 6, reported:
Australia's most lethal, most secret and most expensive spies are black, 78 metres long, 3350-tonne cigar-shaped tubes. Chances are, one of them is currently prowling under the seas north of Australia, playing blind man's buff with foreign ships. Maybe it's loitering, watching offshore from a terrorist training area, or sucking sensitive radio signals out of the atmosphere.

Whatever the Collins class submarines are up to, most of what they do is so secret we won't be told for decades. Even now, the silent and highly dangerous Cold War spying operations carried out by an earlier generation of Australian submarines remain shrouded in secrecy.

That's the thing with submarines: you never really know where they are or what they're doing. Uncertainty is part of their potency. In Australia's case, they've given governments a strategic advantage and priceless intelligence, cloaked in deniability.

For more than three decades, Australia has had the most capable submarine fleet in our immediate neighbourhood and into South-East Asia. But that lead is now under challenge, on multiple fronts.

Regional navies are competing in an arms race to build and expand their own submarine fleets. Our navy's ability to hunt submarines has been degraded by years of neglect, and its anti-submarine weapons are barely adequate.

At the same time, Australia's ability to keep its six submarines at sea is eroding as highly skilled crews head for shore for well-paid, family-friendly civilian jobs. "There is an element of an arms race at work here," says a report by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, a Government-backed think tank, referring to the proliferation of modern submarines in the Asia-Pacific region.

The emerging great powers of China and India are leading the way. By 2016, China's fleet of nuclear and conventional submarines will challenge the US navy's regional supremacy.

India's fleet includes 10 modern Russian subs. It is buying six new French boats (in naval parlance, submarines are always "boats"), with an option for nine more. By 2016, it will have up to three nuclear-powered submarines, capable of firing nuclear missiles.

Others are joining the race. Indonesia currently has two ageing German-built submarines, but wants to buy four Russian boats, with more to follow. Japan has 16 submarines, and may be compelled to get more as China's strength grows.

Malaysia has ordered two French boats to enter service in 2009, probably in response to Singapore, which has four Swedish boats with two more to come. South Korea has nine, and plans to develop a submarine comparable in size to the Collins class.

The think tank's warnings are reinforced by a separate report by the Kokoda Foundation, a defence think tank. In a report that says Australia has to start thinking now about a replacement for the Collins boats, the foundation warns that by 2025, Australia is likely to be overtaken by regional navies with submarines superior to Australia's.

The submarine scramble brings with it a significant "potential for miscalculation", according to the ASPI report.

Submarine operations are inherently sensitive and potentially provocative, especially where secret intelligence gathering is involved. A botched operation could lead to a "serious international incident" or "accidents or escalation of response".

That potential was exposed last October, when a Chinese attack submarine shadowed, undetected, the US aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk in the East China Sea near Okinawa. The Chinese sub then effectively declared "Gotcha!" by surfacing eight kilometres from the carrier. For a modern submarine, eight kilometres is as good as point blank range.

Apart from embarrassing the US Navy, the incident shows two of the key capabilities of submarines, says Mick Dunne, a former submarine captain who was Australia's most senior submariner when he retired with the rank of commodore in 1998. "You can use subs in a very discreet way to first of all find out what's going on and secondly, if you wish, demonstrate a presence," Mr Dunne says.

The impact of "demonstrating a presence" is psychological and practical. If you know your adversary has submarines, you have to take expensive precautions, regardless of whether one of his submarines is in your area or not.

Following the incident with the Chinese submarine, Mr Dunne says life is now more complicated for a captain of a US ship. "He'll be thinking maybe he shouldn't gridlock himself into a certain area. Maybe he should be using more speed; maybe he should have more protection; maybe his intelligence service should be telling him more about the capability of Chinese submarines. It all adds to the bill of operating costs and complicates methods of operating," he says.

Closer to home, the mischief-making potential of submarines was highlighted in a little-reported incident during the Interfet operation to East Timor in September 1999, when Australia was just one miscalculation away from war with Indonesia.  As an Australian-led convoy made its way to Dili, two New Zealand frigates went to action stations after detecting an Indonesian submarine aggressively challenging the convoy.

Urgent signals went back to Canberra. In turn, a flurry of diplomatic and political messages went to Jakarta, warning against any threat to the allied ships. The issue was resolved when the Indonesians withdrew the submarine, but not before it caused "enormous consternation here in Canberra", says Andrew Davies, the author of the ASPI report.

If that encounter is not widely known, nor is the role of Australian submarines in the Interfet operation. Two of the new Collins boats took part, even though at the time press reports suggested the Collins boats were barely operational due to their noise and ineffective combat computer systems.  Details of what they did is still classified, but they escorted transport ships, monitored Indonesian communications, and landed special forces.

One of them, HMAS Waller, demonstrated its presence by tying up in public view at the Darwin wharf just days before Interfet landed in Dili. This sent a clear message, aimed at unsettling any in the Indonesian military who wanted to confront the international force.

While experts say early flaws in the Collins subs are being overcome, the ASPI report warns another Australian advantage — well-trained, experienced crews — is "rapidly diluting" due to the exodus of submariners from the navy.  This is not only reducing the number of boats that can go to sea at any one time; Dr Davies says the navy is losing the competence and technical knowledge of sailors trained over years in the "black arts" of submarine and anti-submarine operations.

Mr Dunne, the former submarine captain, says that if they were fully crewed, at least four of the Collins boats should be at sea or capable of going to sea at any one time. But he believes only two or three are available, due to crew shortages. This means that at best, only half the submarine fleet is fully operational.

Ross Babbage, author of the Kokoda Foundation's report, says crewing issues should be a clear focus of planning for a new submarine.  Staffing issues have been "one of the least successful aspects of the Collins class program", his report says.

There's an irony here. A fundamental purpose of having a navy and submarines is to protect sea trade routes. Our current economic boom is based on shipping raw materials to Asia. The West Australian mining sector is at the centre of that boom. Many submariners are quitting the navy to earn big money in that sector, and who can blame them?

Collins credentials
The navy has six Collins-class submarines, built in Australia based on an original Swedish design. The subs have been plagued with development problems, particularly with noise and the operation of the combat computer system, although the government says those have largely been overcome.

Collins-class supporters say they are the best non-nuclear submarines in the world. They are powered by diesel-electric motors and can stay at sea for more than two months.

  • Displacement: 3350 tonnes (submerged)

  • Length: 77.8 metres

  • Diving Depth: 180+ metres

  • Crew: 45

  • Speed: 20+ knots

  • Weapons: Six torpedo/anti-ship-missile tubes; mines.

 

ADELAIDE, SOUTH AUSTRALIA

 

 

8th - 11th of June 2007

SUBCON 2007

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Submarine in the paddock
Sally Browne of WA's Sunday Mail wrote the following article on Holbrooke.   Driving from Melbourne to Sydney on the Hume Highway, just past Albury-Wodonga, a sign caught our eye: "Welcome to Holbrook, the Submarine Town." Out in the middle of nowhere?

Then we saw a model sub about one-fifth the size of the real thing.  "Cool," we thought, "that's what they must have been referring to."  Then we saw by the road the massive frame of a real submarine, berthed like a beached whale.

Apparently this submarine, the upper shell of the 90m former HMAS Otway, which has had its home in Holbrook since the 1990s, has attracted a lot of visitors to the sleepy town.  The steel and fibreglass construction began life in a Scottish dockyard in the 1960s before traversing the seas with the Royal Australian Navy.

Since locals brought the submarine up here, piece by piece, the town now boasts a gleaming new cafe and a submarine exhibition, where visitors can learn about Lieutenant Norman Holbrook, after whom the town is named.

There's an interesting story behind that.  In fact, there's an interesting story behind almost everything in Holbrook. Until 1915, the town was known as Germanton, after Johann Pabst who ran the local pub. But when war broke out, being associated with Germany was not the in thing.  So the townspeople voted to rename the town, and they chose Holbrook, after the British naval officer who was the first to win the Naval Victoria Cross in World War I.

Although Holbrook had no previous connection with the town, he and his wife, Gundula, visited the town several times.

The first submarine that we saw is a model of Holbrook's B11, in which, as a 26-year-old, he managed to sink a Turkish battleship.  Acquiring the great frame of the Otway was no easy feat. The town purchased the hull with the aid of local funds and a gift from Gundala Holbrook.

It also acquired the bottom of the sub, and the control room, which opened for viewing in January.  Since the submarine has come to town, Holbrook gets plenty of visitors. It's a great way to break up the journey, and despite the stories of the past, the locals are an incredibly friendly bunch.

Details: Holbrook Visitor Information Centre and Submarine Exhibition, Wallace St, Holbrook, NSW, ph: 02 6036 2422.

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