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THE CHIEF STOKER'S LOG - JUNE 2007

SAA New Members  - Welcome Aboard

Kevin William Christensen, Maffra Victoria 3860, partner Tracy.  Retired LSROSM served in HMAS Oxley, Ovens Otama and Orion 1977 to 1981.

Michael Raymond Date, Mudgeeraba QLD 4213, partner Helen. Retired ABMTSM served in HMAS Otama and Waller 1995 to 1999.

Darren Harris, Crows Nest NSW 2065, Served in HMAS Otway, Ovens twice and Orion 1984 to 1991.

Gary James Hollas, Ardross WA 6153. Retired LSUCSM served in HMAS Oslow, Ovens and Otama 1974 to 1981.

Michael Thomas Pullinger, Stirling WA 6021, partner Dawn. Retired LSETCSM served in HMAS Otway, Onslow and Oven 1971 to 1977.

Warren (Stewie) Wilfred Stewart, Bondi Junction NSW 2022, Partner Pamela. Retired ABMTPSM served in HMAS Onslow, Otway and Otama 1973 to 1979.

Captain Peter John Sinclair AM CSC RAN (Rtd), partner Tanya.  Kilkenny SA 5009.  Served in HMAS Ovens, Oxley Orion, HMS/ms Olympus, Osiris, Onyx, HMAS Otway Collins and Waller 1983 - 1999

Geoffrey Charles Rossiter, Parafield Gardens SA 5107 Served in HMAS Orion and Onslow 1978-1981 retired as a ABCKSM

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The following old tarts survived another year and have had, or are having, a Birthday in June. 

1st: David Sandquest, Gary Finney, Jon (or Carol?) Jankowski, Pat Cullum & Robert Dobson
2nd: David Byrne & Don Wooding
3rd: Paul Ballantyne & Don Parsons
4th: Barry McKeown
5th: Ian Bray
7th: Trevor Robertson
8th: Craig Tanner
9th: Dixie Lee
10th: Ray McMinn, Kevin J Piechowski & Allan McCarthy
11th: Bruce Morley
12th: Allan Carter
13th: Peter Wallen @ Chris Cromwell
14th: Frank (Sandy) Powell
15th: Mike Pearson
17th: John Kidd, Peter Williams, Dennis Wigg, Jerry Gwynne & Ralph Birch
18th: Max Hardy
19th: Don Currell & Paul McGroder
20th Adam McCarthy
21st: Roger Downs, Kenneth Robinson, Kerry Jorgensen
22nd: George McKenzie
23rd: Arthur McKean, Robert O'Brien, Chris Bayly, Geoff Cherry, Gwen Scotney, Kim Ive, Tom Jarrett, Mick Ploenges
24th: Marcos Alfonso
25th: Daniel O'Brien & Sean Goff
26th: Ian Harvey
27th: Andrew Holman, Ray Copeland & Roger Hardwicke
29th: Brett Ollington & Greg Skinner
30th: Lee Bond, Donald Brown & Alan Gurman

Why isn't my Birthday here?  I hear this often, the answer is simple, I rely on Plaxo to help me manage the 1200 people in Up Periscope's mailing list.  So if you want to be listed, fill in your details on Plaxo next time I send an update request.

Birthday Calculator. After you've finished reading the info, click again, and see what the moon looked like the night you were born. This is neat.

Sick List
If you know of a mate that is not traveling well, let us know. Remember, a little contact during these times is better than a visit from the doctor.

Jeff Stein, on the 28th May, had a pacemaker installed for his  heart arrhythmia that causes his heart to beat too slow and stops for 2.2 seconds on occasions causing dizziness which he was experiencing. He said "All is well now that I have a supercharger hooked up to the donk."
 

Sunday, 24th JUNE 2007

The house has sold, the resignation is in and I have visited Centrelink for the first time in my life, too late to turn back now!  Standby Queensland, Cyclone Norman is on it's way. 

I sold the house for more than I expected although the buyer had one condition, the pool table stayed. This was not an issue, it is 15 years old and my old mate 'Nigger' thought that the legs were trees and often marked his spot, this resulted in them swelling as they were made of some compressed fibre.  However, I was not giving up easy and made a counter offer, he could have the table but he would have to de-commission the septic tanks (I have just gone onto deep sewage).  I came out ahead on this deal.

The neighbours have been looking forward to me leaving, they believe the values in the street will rise significantly on my departure.  I have seen them off, I sold to a newly arrived Pom with four kids.

I have discovered EBay and have made several purchases over the last few weeks, 2 new web cameras, a car GPS (to help me get to Queensland), security system and a print of AE2. This morning I bid on an espresso coffee maker and new phone.  Maybe I have retired too early, I'll need a job if I end up being an eBay addict.  More fun than a pokey and less chance of losing.

A lot of changes happening in WA, ASC is undergoing a major change in management.  ASC General Manager WA, Robert Lemonius (of CODOCK fame), has been appointed as General Manager ASC Shipbuilding, builder of the new AWD and will be replaced with South Australian Mike Poynter.  Sid Czabotar, the STSC Maintenace Manager is also retiring in September, and of course the Training Manager (me) in August.  A posting for the current Training Authority - Submarines, CMDR John Renwick RAN is also imminent, possibly an OS posting I believe.  Change is good!!!

This week the papers reported "The repulsion by Australian sailors of five gunboats of hostile Iranian Republican Guards off Iraq has been used to heap further humiliation on the Royal Navy. In March the Iranians abducted 15 British sailors in the Khawr Abd Allah waterway and paraded them to the world.  In the incident involving the Australian Navy, in December 2004, the Australian crew drew their weapons and used "colourful language" to defuse the stand-off. The incident was highlighted in British media reports as a stark contrast to their own efforts."  I suppose a bunch of skimmers doing 'brown eyes' and swearing loudly would be enough to scare off any armed intruder.

I have added to the photos taken at SUBCON in the Rogues Gallery to include photos taken at the Ball by Connie Francis, if you have some for inclusion, just send them to me.  Lloyd Blake forwarded this one of two members resting between sessions, he believes them to be UCs but could not recall their names.

The 2007 Constitution of the Submarines Association Australia is now online at submarinesaustralia.com

Around the Traps

North Queensland Branch AGM
The AGM of the NQ Branch is to be held over the weekend of 6-8th July 2007. As this is our first AGM since formation of the branch a really good turn-up of members would be appreciated.  We require any agenda items and nominations for President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer and four committee members forwarded to Garth Schmidt ASAP.

The Meet and Greet will be held at 1800 on Friday 6th July  at the Kirwan Tavern which is located on Thuringowa Drive, Kirwan. There will be finger food provided, and bar facilities for the enjoyment of attendees.

The AGM and Lunch will be held at 1300 on Saturday 7th July at the residence of Shorty and Robyn Needham at 31 Corveth Street, Kirwan. Lunch will be provided on completion of the meeting and drinks will be available at very competitive prices.

Could you please contact Garth Schmidt and advise your attendance and if you will be needing accommodation. When numbers are known, Garth will be able to see if he can arrange favourable rates from local motels etc. The numbers will also help with victualling arrangements.

Of course any travelling submariners and partners are cordially welcome to attend.

New South Wales Branch
Ken Williams has advised that an opportunity has presented itself for members and family to have a guided tour of the USS KITTY HAWK. As this has been organised through the U.S. Consulate General some limitations have been imposed. Sandy is available on the Sunday July 8th and Monday July 9th so if you can choose a time that suites you 1st and 2nd preference on the Sunday or Monday we will go with the time the majority would like to attend. Email Ken by 0900, Wednesday June 27th with your preferences and the names of those accompanying you.

Jeff Stein has been deep for awhile and now I understand why "I see you had a good time at the SUBCON, beer in hand having a yarn with Sexy Cameron and Billy O'Brien. Due to more health problems I couldn't make it. On the 28th May I had a pacemaker installed. I have or had a heart arrhythmia where upon my heart beats too slow and stops for 2.2 seconds on occasions causing dizziness which I was experiencing. All is well now that I have a supercharger hooked up to the donk. Depending on where next years event will take place I will hopefully be there. The new web site looks good congratulations on a job well done." I advised Jeff that SUBCON 08 is in the ACT and should be a good one, it is always great to catch up with the mates, some never change.

Dave Horne has had to visit the sick bay at Greenslopes again this week. He left Cairns at 0400, arrived back 1730.  He returns to Greenslopes on Thursday 28th to pump some cortisone into his back and will return home the next day. This is one problem with living away from capital cities.

Ahoy All, Bob Emery (for SAOC West) of the Submariners Association of Canada West advises that their current on-line Newsletter is now available for your perusal ...

Submarine Community Ball

  • Where: Burswood Grand Ball Room, Perth

  • When: 26 October, 1900- 0001

  • Dress: Formal (Mess Dress or Dinner Suit)

  • Ticketing: $95, available for purchase from 1 July (full details to follow). Ticket prices include a three course meal and five hours of drinks 

The small print:

  • Priority seating to be allocated to serving submariners and support staff. Seating allocated once payment has been received - strictly no IOU.

  • Groups to be arranged prior to booking, maximum 10 people per table.

  • Submariners that want to be booked in the SAA group are to contact Norm Williams.

  • 10% discount for accommodation off best price at time of booking, available at Burswood Intercontinental Hotel and the Burswood Holiday Inn. Bookings to be made on an individual basis direct to the hotel.

Ruth Carter
Corporate Communications Officer
Submarine Force Element Group

Telephone: (08) 9553 3064
Mobile: 0401 999 943
E-mail: ruth.carter@defence.gov.au

Employment Opportunities
ASC Pty Ltd is looking for staff to be trained as instructors in the Mechanical, Electrical and Electronic fields. This is an opportunity for those that are tired of off shore work and want to settle down to a great lifestyle and an opportunity to learn a new profession.  Submarine experience would be an advantage  but should not stop you from applying as other opportunities exist.  Contact Norm Williams, Manager Contract Training by email or on 0419 663558.

Doug 'Flash' Craig wrote "I was very interested to read Brian Vaughton’s article about S/M Andrew and the last gun action surface. I was the killick greenie on Andrew from final refit to when she went to the knacker’s yard. POLTO Mick Davenport and I put the shorting straps to her and then went to the “Avondale” to stop shaking and get pissed.  I am writing because I was unable to open the pictures in the article and I would be more than grateful if you would pass this message on to Brian Vaughton so I can ask him if he would send copies of the 12 pictures to me. I’ve been to a couple of the reunions and there are not too many pix of Andrew doing the business. (My ex got all mine and probably ate them). By the way – I also served on HMS/M Olympus (and Cachalot) when she had RAN Part 3s embarked. The Jimmy was one of yours as well (Smith) but I also remember a killick stoker called “Tex” Rutter – always wore white socks (we never did find out where he kept them)."  What surprised Australian stokers is Tex where he got all of his smart, ironed uniforms, a real mystery. It drove Tom Johnston to drink!

The gene pool could use a little chlorine.

Terry and Helen Wyatt have returned from one of there regular trips to Scotland. "We are back, jet lagged.  I ran into Robert 'Nicko ' Nichol, one of my Stokers from Orion, he will be trying to contact you in regards a visit to a Collins in early August as he doing a lightning tour of Australia, all points in three weeks. Nicko has done well for himself, this week he received a fifteen year award for working with the Corps of Commissionaires. I also met Allan Butler (POLTO Otway crew), he bowls at the Grosvenor, same club as my Brother in law, as I spent a few evenings bowling and watching. Blue is now retired and visits his daughter in Southampton."

Last week I reported that I had received a request from Frank of South Australia for information on whether a submarine could operate upside down at sea and if said Sub had turned upside down could they recover. I suggested that Frank change his drinking partners and that the one suggesting that it could should get a brain transplant. 

This week I received the following. "We all loved your last reply accept the irritating doubter, so just to end this subject could you please answer a final question written in his words exactly. "If a sub is inverted underwater would blowing the ballast tanks (re-introducing air and removing water) would the submarine rise? By the way if you ever make to Adelaide let me know we owe you a few beers."  I again explained in simple terms the reasons why I thought this impossible and receive the final response. "Appreciate your input it will finally silence him. One thing that came out of this is a greater realization of the dangers in being a submariner. We drink at the Gepps Cross Hotel in Blair Athol and we would very much like to buy you a beer or two."  Slow learners but I think that they finally got the message, and I will drop in for a beer on my way through SA.

I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it.

I understand that the SAA has formed a committee to develop a plan for the 40th anniversary of the commissioning of HMAS Platypus and the arrival of HMAS Oxley on the 18th August 1967 to form the Australian Submarine Squadron. This should be a great opportunity for submariners to get together for a few quiet ales and a chat.  Watch this space for more details.  While on the subject of Platypus, I have a small number of sew on cloth logos for sale through the Slops Van at $15 each.  Contact me if interested.

Baz Jenkins sent this little story. Alongside Blockhouse, the donk shop killick on an A-boat was sat in the mess one morning havin' his tea at stand easy. He had just opened a tin of Carnation milk and noticed that there was a contest open to consumers on the tin's label. It explained that: in 75 words or less, win 1000 pounds for the best entry as to, "Why you like Carnation milk the best".  After stand easy, he went back to the donk shop desk, completed a jingle, and mailed it off to the Carnation Milk Co. went he went inboard at dinner time.

A couple of months later, the boat was Perisher runnin' up north and went into Rothesay for a dirty weekend. Much to the killick's surprise, a P.A.S boat came alongside and a bag of mail came aboard. . .with it, a letter from the Carnation Milk Co. It explained that the killick's entry was the best one submitted, however it was unfortunate that the company could not publish it because of its' descriptive words. Nevertheless, Carnation was willing to offer a consolation award and enclosed was a company check to the amount 1,000 pounds for his creativity.

The entry read:
"In our boat we have no fridge,
the coolest place is upon the bridge.
So when its time for me tea and chow,
I open a tin of armoured-cow

I like Carnation best of all,
No tits to pull, no shite to haul.
No barns to clean, no hay to pitch,
Just punch a hole in the son of a bitch."

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“There is nothing wrong with asking for help.”

The video of the HMAS Kanimbla BlackHawk crash has already turned up on YouTube. The speed at which the chopper hit the deck of HMAS Kanimbla is just beyond belief. Our thoughts to friends and family of the soldiers on board.

Stephen Jenner (formerly CO of HMS Telemachus) wrote "My version of the RN 4th Division's Social and Operational Story is now available at www.seasidebs.com (Browse books authored by Jenner). Part 2 includes Photographs of HMS Thorough's return to UK from Sydney - the first circumnavigation of the World by a diesel boat."

Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them.

Ex-service men and women deprived of half-yearly pension increase
The RDFWA have issued a press release advising that all Australian ex-service men and women who depend on military superannuation are about to be advised that their anticipated half-yearly pension increase will not happen.

  • Defence widows will receive the same advice.

  • The “notional” superannuation funds of service personnel, who have retired but not
    reached preservation age, will also not be increased.

How can such a state of affairs be allowed to happen? The answer is easy: military superannuation is increased with the CPI, and as it is measured, the CPI did not increase between September 2006 and March 2007 and so military, like public service pensions, will not increase on 1 July.

This situation is patently unfair. It has been obvious for many years that the CPI does not reflect the true cost of living nor does it ensure the maintenance of living standards. The Government acknowledges this – for example, many other Government funded pensions such as the Age Pension, War Service Pension, War Widow’s Pension and TPI Pension have been indexed to Male Total Average Weekly Earnings (MTAWE) from as far back as 1997 and this method of indexation has been twice supported by the Senate Select Committee on Superannuation and Financial Services.

The RDFWA and other ex-service organisations have lobbied since 1997 to have military superannuation indexed in the same way as the Age and War Service Pensions. The response from Government has been that the cost would be prohibitive. If that’s the case, why wasn’t it prohibitive for the other Government pensions and why is the ex-service community being discriminated against? The fact is that Government claims about the cost of changing indexation have been grossly exaggerated. Ministers have repeatedly stated that to change the indexation of military superannuation would cost $500 million per year whereas the true cost is $18 million in the first year, eventually rising to $500 million after 17 years. Over time, the effect on military superannuants is dramatic. Over the last 17 years the average annual increase in CPI has been 2.7% whilst MTAWE has increased by 4.2% pa. To put this issue into perspective, since June 1997 the Age and Service pensions have risen 51%, military superannuation pensions have risen 30% and parliamentary pensions have risen 55%. Put another way a military pension of $20,000 at June 1997 is now worth $25,880 whereas if it had been indexed the same as the Age Pension it would be worth $30,180. The difference this year is $82 per week, whilst the cumulative loss exceeds $16,000.

The RDFWA has welcomed the opportunity to make submissions to, and meet with the Military Superannuation Review Team that is about to report its findings. The Government stipulated that the overriding guiding principle for the review was that military superannuation should reflect the ‘unique nature of military service’. It is hard to see how that guiding principle is satisfied if military superannuation continues to be indexed at a lower rate than Centrelink pensions and we are naturally fearful that any recommendations by the Review Team to change indexation will be ignored, in the same way as recommendations made by Senate Select Committees have twice been ignored.

With regard to the Simpler Superannuation rules that come into force on 1 July, approximately 60% of military superannuants receive less than $20,000 pa and will therefore derive little or no benefit from the 10% tax offset. Military superannuants and other Australians receiving superannuation pensions from ‘untaxed’ funds will also be disadvantaged in the tax treatment of other income, which will be added to their superannuation income and then taxed at their marginal rate.

Further information can be obtained from RDFWA Vice President – Retirement Benefits,
Bryan Wilson, on 02 9416 9947.

I'm not a complete idiot -- Some parts are missing.

Eternal Patrol
Albert Allen died in NSW on Thursday, 14 June 2007. Know by a various names of Bert, "Bunts" or "Darby", Bert joined the Royal Navy in October 1939.

In 1942 Bert volunteered for submarines and after initial training joined HMS H43 as the Signalman TO in 1943 he left the boat to join the newly commissioned HMS Untiring (P59) for the next three years he called this boat his home.

In 1946 Bert was discharged from the Navy and eventually migrated out to Australia, he joined the Association in October 1985 and during his time in the NSW Branch, Bert served on its committee. (Peter Smith)

NSW member Lieutenant Cornelius Gray McCracken RN & RAN (Rtd) died some time during the week of 11 - 15 June. Known to his peers as Con who joined his first submarine HMS Trump in early 1948, then late 1948 he joined HMS Totem for a short stint before joining the brown area of reserve trot until mid 1949.

In mid 1949 Con was sent to HMS Alliance until January 1950 where he returned to HMS Dolphin for training until June 1950.  This was the last time that Con was involved in boats He left the Royal Navy and migrated to Australia where he joined the RAN he retired from the Navy as a Lieutenant SD (PR). He joined the Association in November 1990.

Les Thorpe. (RN CPO Coxn) of the SOCA Shropshire Branch has died, aged 90. Submarine Service: 1941-1965. Served in: SM4, Proteus Sunfish Spearhead Auriga Tiptoe Thermopylae.

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Very practical and fashionable rugby pullovers embroidered with the Submarines Australia logo $40 pp.

This morning on the way to work I Rear-ended a car at some lights whilst not really paying attention. Anyway the fella who was driving got out... And he was a dwarf!!!! He said "I'm not happy"........  I said "Well which one are you then”

Being "over the hill" is much better than being under it!

Raytheon Australia Hails Royal Australian Navy's Air Warfare Destroyer Design Selection
A design by Navantia, a Spanish leader in military ship building, has been selected by the Australian government as the ship design for the next-generation Royal Australian Navy's Air Warfare Destroyers.

As the Air Warfare Destroyer Mission Systems Integrator, Raytheon Australia, a subsidiary of Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN), will complete the "Australianization" of the combat system around the Aegis core. Specifically, Raytheon will integrate the non-Aegis elements of the combat system and conduct combat system trade studies; develop the design of the complete AWD combat system; develop complete ship and integrated support systems with the platform system designer and shipbuilder; and develop project management and systems engineering structures and deliver mission systems integration.

Raytheon Australia was selected for the Air Warfare Destroyer Alliance in April 2005. Ron Fisher, managing director of Raytheon Australia said: "The business of defense is vitally important, and this project will have a tremendous impact on the growth of skills and jobs. The Raytheon AWD team is expected to total around 230 employees. This includes 140 jobs in Adelaide and the remainder in other locations as part of the company's important Mission Systems Integration role. Our defence industry exists to serve the Australian Defence Force, and we look forward to delivering the Royal Australian Navy a capability in which all Australians can be proud."

Dan Smith, president of Raytheon Integrated Defense Systems and a member of the Air Warfare Destroyer Principals' Council, termed the Navantia announcement "a key milestone in advancing this important program." Smith added, "Together with the Defence Materiel Organisation, ASC and Navantia, Raytheon is proud to be a partner with this team in what will be the most advanced shipbuilding project in Australia's history."

Raytheon Australia is a wholly owned subsidiary of Raytheon Company. Raytheon Company, with 2006 sales of $20.3 billion, is a technology leader specializing in defense, homeland security and other government markets throughout the world. With headquarters in Waltham, Mass., Raytheon employs 73,000 people worldwide.

US Navy sub will be decommissioned
Following 23 years in the U.S. Navy, the USS Minneapolis-St. Paul will be decommissioned Friday at Naval Station Norfolk. The Los Angeles-class nuclear powered fast attack submarine has been deployed 12 times and has visited 26 different ports. The life of a sub is 25 years, unless it is refueled in a lengthy and expensive process.

It returned from its last deployment, where it visited France, Spain, England and Portugal - earlier this year.

Two sailors died during the deployment when they were swept overboard off the coast of England. Five total sailors were involved in the accident when the surfaced sub was leaving a port and performing routine duties on the topside of the boat. Rough waves knocked them overboard.

The commanding officer of the sub - Cmdr. Edwin Ruff - was relieved of command in January. A Navy investigation concluded that the commanding officer and executive officer should have better anticipated the danger posed by the rough seas.

The sub is 360-feet-long, displaces 6,900 tons of water and can travel at more than 25 knots. It's capable of deploying special forces, like Navy SEALs, and launching attacks on land from sea.

STOKER'S SUBMARINE

Stoker's Submarine - the untold story of Australia's AE2 submarine, its captain, and how they achieved a mission impossible. On 25 April 1915, the day the Anzacs landed at Gallipoli, Lieutenant Commander Dacre Stoker set out as captain of the Australian submarine AE2 on a mission to navigate the Dardanelles Strait.  That Stoker managed to find a way through the narrow Dardanelles against unknown currents, mines and withering enemy fire has been described as ‘the finest feat in submarine history’.

Stoker's achievement meant much in military terms, but even more emotionally in boosting the morale of the embattled Allied troops.

Stoker's Submarine tells the story of a remarkable naval hero, who until now has been little celebrated.

By Fred Brenchley and Elizabeth Brenchley - ISBN: 0732274427;   For visitors to the Chief's Log at a reduced price of only $20 (plus $3.50 postage), order now or place your order in the Slops Van.

Sonar survey to inspect sub wreck
A detailed sonar survey is to be carried out by the Nato Submarine Rescue System Intervention Remotely Operated Vehicle (NSRS IROV) as part of work to look at the wreck of the sunken Russian submarine B-159.

The submarine, which was known as K-159 before decommissioning, sank in 1993, more than 30 years after first being rolled out as a nuclear submarine under the old Soviet regime. K-159 was one of the vessels in the Northern Fleet, whose headquarters are in Murmansk.

In addition to the detailed sonar survey of the wreck, environmental sampling and removal of debris from around the wreck will take place, all under the request of the Russian Federation.

Recovering the submarine and disposing of the reactors on board safely are at the top of the priority list for the Russian Federation, as part of an international agreement designed to dispose of such material safely. The Salvage and Marine Operations unit will play an integral part in the process.

God must love stupid people; He made so many.

OK Boof, you can pee on the trees now, they now belong to a Pom.

Sunday, 17th JUNE 2007

I have posted the photos taken at SUBCON in the Rogues Gallery.  Bob Wilson, Geoff Rositer and Pat Heffernan sent their contributions which are included. Boot Hatfield commented "Must be your camera . . . some of the photos are fuzzy !!!!!!!!!!!!! Or was it the operator?" Well Boot, it is a bit of both............. I dropped the camera and it is stuffed, I was just pissed.

I neglected to mention last week that at the AGM SA member William 'Bill' Hollas was awarded Life Membership of the Association, congratulations mate, you deserve it.

I have just read last week's Log and have come to the conclusion that I was still a bit 'tired' when I wrote it at the airport last Sunday.  I was enjoying my last Gin and Tonic before catching the flight when a tall blonde stranger accosted me, Norm Williams isn't it he enquired? Not sure if I had committed an indiscretion over the weekend and the long arm of the law was there to discuss it was a cause of some concern, but I sighed a breath of relief when he said, "You don't remember me do you, I am Ian Collins?" Ian was commissioning crew on Ovens with me.  Been a bloody long time and I was amazed that he remembered after such a long time. It urns out that Ian was not in Adelaide for SUBCON, he lives there and was not even aware that there was an Association Branch there.

My arrival home was met with mixed emotions, Boof started to cry and carry on as if I had been away for months, jumped onto my bed for a cuddle and play after which we left for a walk on the beach.  The mood changed considerably on our return, he ate dinner and the turned his back on me and ignored me for the rest of the evening. Does this sound familiar to you married lot out there? The cold has hit Perth today and Boof is still in bed as I write this Log entry.

I had the deep sewage connected before leaving for SUBCON and I will be spending most of today replacing broken pavers and finding a home for enough sand to create my own Bondi Beach. I think that they broke every third one and I am not looking forward to the job.  Knowing my handyman skills I will end up stuffing it up, the last time I laid pavers I ended up with a nice curved area that meandered through the back yard, a pity it was supposed to be straight.

I am way behind with posting items and photos sent to me over the past month or two, including some more for the ANZAC Day gallery. I will get around to these as time permits. Sorry, a bit busy on all fronts at the moment. Better get on with it, a lot to do today.

SUBCON 2007 - The Friendly Games.  South Australian President Fred Butcher 'hands over the weight' to ACT and Southern Regions President Andy Galley.

Around the Traps

SA Branch News
The Annual General Meeting of the Submarines Association Australia, SA Branch, will be held in the Port Adelaide Naval Association Sub Branch clubrooms (35 Quebec Street, Port Adelaide) on Sunday 24th June 2007, commencing at 1230 for a 1300 start. Partners are welcome, and please bring a plate of nibbles along to share.  If you are not a Member contact Dave Bryant on (08) 8348 7253 for details.

Ray Kemp asks: "I have just finished an Alaskan cruise and meet a friend of Bob Bobilack , Col Austin. Col is looking to get in touch with him. By the way having a great time touring Canada, Alaska and the USA. Have just driven down highway 101 though the giant redwoods, what a site." If anyone can put me in touch with Bob I will pass on the details.

Kate Gardiner, Mal (Steve) McQueen’s cousin, is after an email contact for Peter Johnston-Hall. She worked (and sailed in Friendship of Leeuwin) with Peter for many years at Stirling.  I had Peter's address but it must have changed.  Can you help, if so, let me know.

Dave 'Pee Wee' Petherick's daughter has accepted a two year extension to her contract with the radio station she works for in Oxford (UK) and has decided to sell her car (rather than let Dad drive it, he is not the best driver in Queensland). No it's not the Volvo, it's a 2006 Suzuki Vitara, black two door, all the gear with 15,000 kms on the clock. She bought it just before she went back to UK. If anyone is interested give Dave a call on (07) 5491 9767. No, it is a Suzuki, NOT a BMW, I am assured it is in near new condition and does not come with a spare fuel hose!

Ken Anderson writes "I'm an old surface skimmer who would have been proud to serve in the boats but we didn't have any in my day. For years I've been after a copy of the ABC TV series "The Perisher." Last time I asked someone, [perhaps you] thought there was a copy in the Association library but it couldn't be found. Given the way technology has advanced I wonder if any of your members has a copy which they could transfer to DVD for me. Perhaps you could put out the word and ask anyone who could help to e-mail me." If you have a copy of Perisher could you let me know, the submarine school copy went missing and still cannot be found. On the same subject, I was given three videos of the 75th Anniversary to put onto DVD, however, forgot who gave them to me. Please contact me if it is you.

WO 'Benny' Hill sent me the following link to the US Patents Office, it goes to prove that there are some strange inventors in the USofA. It also proves that Benny Hill should spend more time at work and less time on the net.  A more entertaining link was sent by Michael Stanley, a rendition of the Royal Navy doing Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody.

A father watched his young daughter playing in the garden. He smiled as he reflected on how sweet and pure his little girl was. Tears formed in his eyes as he thought about her seeing the wonders of nature through such innocent eyes. Suddenly she just stopped and stared at the ground. He went over to her to see what work of God had captured her attention. He noticed she was looking at two Daddy longlegs' mating. "Daddy, what are those two spiders doing?" she asked. "They're mating," her father replied. "What do you call the one on top?" she asked. "That's a Daddy Longlegs," her father answered. "So, the other one is a Mummy Longlegs?" the little girl asked. As his heart soared with the joy of such a cute and innocent question he replied "No dear. both of them are Daddy Longlegs." The little girl, looking a little puzzled, thought for a moment, then took her foot and stomped them flat. "Well, we're not having any of that poofter crap in our garden" she said!!!

AE1 Report
Michael White wrote "I forward the emailed report from Cdr John Foster RAN Ret'd, the main proponent for the search for the AE1 these 20 years or so and the author of the recent book on the search for the AE1 (AE1: Entombed but not Forgotten). Members can see that the Press Release by Minister for Veteran Affairs, Mr Billson, that the object found by HMAS Yarra off Rabaul in late May, is definitely not the AE1 is at odds with what Cdr Foster has to say about it. It is possible that this object is, after all, the AE1 although we will only know after further and more detailed investigation by the Navy.

Members will also see that the wreck in Blanche Bay, outer part of Rabual Harbour, is now definitely identified as a Japanese submarine, and not the AE1. I should be obliged if you could save and paste this report to the members of the SAA and the SIA respectively for their more complete information than that contained in the Minister's Press Release."

John Foster sent the following Report to other AE1 Project members.

Gentlemen, The jury is still out on the identification of the Yarra contact. I think too many people, including me at first, were put off by the confused picture sent back by the MDV. However, taking all things into consideration such as dimensions of target, parallel lines either side of the target, sand placement, coral growth-much irregular-,93 years of being on the floor in an area notorious for its to and froing of strong currents, a comparison with the E17 conning tower (from RN Sub Museum), the very assertive opinion of the divers who got to 20 metres above the target and now the fact that what the old RAN diver George Tyers though was AE1 in Blanche Bay has now been identified as a Jap sub and certainly not AE1 (Mark Spencer), the Navy is keen to go and do a proper ID run. I am informed that it would be several months away and the divers have to be TRAINED in deep-diving techniques and be provided with the right gear (Nitrox). It does make sense when you realise that mine clearance or mine inspection is usually conducted in waters less than 30 metres due to ineffectiveness of ground mines in deep water.

The MDV video is being sent to DSTO for examination and I have asked for the WAMM to be included in the examination of the facts. I think we should all hang in there We might be on the money ball. Either way, sending an expensive ship up there and paying due respects goes a long way in closing off the matter.

If anyone would like a DVD of the memorial Service conducted in Yarra on the last day please let me know and I will arrange it. Elizabeth and I are on our way to China on Sunday for a few weeks followed by a break in Italy. We will be back on 12 July so this station will be off the air during that time. Meanwhile Tom Hall is providing me with the addresses of the descendent rellies and time permitting I will dispatch copies of the memorial service off to them. The DVD is not well edited and some names have been omitted. Steve Marshall's camera was going on and off with condensation problems in the humid weather.

Yours aye,
Cdr John Foster RAN Ret'd, Chair of the AE1 Search Committee.

SUBCON 2007 - The Friendly Games.  Paul Ballantyne enjoys a hug from Dutchy Stegenga while Dave Luck looks a bit concerned about the attention being paid to him by Boot Hatfield, but Rodss Cameron did not bat an eyelid when given a wet ear from Gus Gillis.

Health and welfare Issues - Driving and Disabilities
The QLD TIP Consultative Group Meeting recently raised the matter of driving and disabilities. The law has recently changed in Queensland and similar laws may affect other States / Territories.
These have implications for insurance and members need to become aware of it.

Les Dwyer, National President of the Naval Association of Australia reports that laws about reporting your fitness to drive have changed in Queensland. You can no longer wait until it is time to renew your licence to inform Queensland Transport of a permanent or long-term medical condition that adversely affects your ability to drive safely. Queensland Transport needs to know as soon as the condition develops or as soon as there is an adverse change to an existing condition.

Talk to your health professional about your medical condition and any potential impact this may have on your ability to drive safely. Health professionals are qualified to check if you are medically fit to drive. They may provide a medical certificate or official letter stating your fitness to drive.

Drivers who fail to report their medical condition may receive a maximum A$4,500 penalty or be disqualified from driving for a certain period.

What should you do if I develop a permanent or long-term medical condition?

You must let Queensland Transport know as soon as you become aware of the condition or an adverse change to it. This may be prior to obtaining a medical certificate from your health professional.

Note: Drivers aged over 75 years must hold a valid medical certificate at all times. There is more information on the Transport Queensland website.

Medical conditions which may affect driving

* Diabetes (early and late onset)
* Epilepsy
* Heart disease
* Strokes
* Arthritis and other joint problems
* Eye problems (for example, cataracts)
* Hearing disorders
* Sleep disorders
* Parkinson's disease and other neurological disorders
* Dementia and Alzheimer's disease
* Depression and other mental health problems
* Lung disease
* Injuries and disabilities

This list is not exhaustive. Other medical conditions, or combinations of conditions, may also be relevant.

SUBCON 2007 - The Friendly Games.  Some things never change, the Engineering Department has the solutions to all of the problems and PO Ian Crouch took the opportunity at SUBCON to give the Commodore, Richard Shalders, a few hints on how things should be done.

Bus driver in Glasgow .... he was driving his route the other day when a dwarf guy got on the bus and started shouting about the bus being late and ranting and raving about getting "soaked through". The bus driver asked the guy what bus it was he wanted and the midget guy said it was the No. 66, the bus driver then said "well this is the No. 65 and you've got on the wrong bus ! "  .... To which the dwarf guy replied "well I'm not happy"..... The bus driver turned around and said "well which one are you then?"................   He got suspended…

I received the following request for information. "Hi Norm, I came across your site by accident but I was hoping you could end a long running debate at our local. First of none of us have any Navy experience but have contacts with people that have and no one seems to have a clear answer to a couple of questions as follows.. Q1... Can a submarine operate upside down at sea (I got on to someone high in the Navy and his answer was.. I don't know but what sort of crew have you got operating this Sub) Q2. If said Sub had turned upside down would it naturally float to the top or sink Basically what we want to know is if it turned over could they recover. Would appreciate your thoughts. Regards Frank." 

I responded using my scant understanding of the dynamics of a submarine, explaining that it was hard to operate that way, but some Oberon CO's were extremely good at it, although it was difficult to keep the oil in the deep fat fryer and using the heads was tricky. I received the following in response. "Thanks for your reply, one last question just to satisfy one irritating doubter, if for some reason the sub did turn could it recover by " blowing " the ballast. Also when you said almost impossible, what would the captain attempt to do to right the sub. I have difficult drinking partners to satisfy. Thanks and regard, Frank." I suggested that he change his drinking partners.

I have discovered a great place for collectors of Military, Naval & Aviation related Books. Empire Books at Joondalup in WA has a website for the curios. They have a massive stock of over 12,000 Military, Naval & Aviation related Books and lso sell Prints, Photos, Technical Manuals & ephemera. Lots of Submarine Books & related material, ex Brits and the flavour of our stock is very British, Loads of Royal Navy material as they were dealers in the UK for many years.

Call for sub experts to go Down Under
A new recruitment drive by the ASC (formerly Australian Submarine Company) is under way. An advert was placed in Barrow’s newspapers recruiting submarine experts and inviting them to “come to Australia”. The move is a repeat of tactics used by ASC in 2004 when they placed a similar advert.

On that occasion it was timed to coincide with the week when amphibious landing ship Bulwark departed Barrow.  This time the recruitment drive follows the successful rollout on Friday of Astute — BAE’s latest hi-tech vessel.

Based in Adelaide, ASC plans to attract Barrow’s wealth of submarine specialists, including engineers and designers. An ASC spokesperson said: “We require highly experienced submarine specialists in a number of areas, including design, project management and production. “We have had a number of Barrow workers join us since 2004, all of them still with the company and making significant contributions. We have been impressed not only with their skills and capabilities, but also the way they have grasped their new opportunity.”

The large advert first appeared in the Evening Mail on the eve of the Astute launch. It invites our top submarine builders and designers to “spend a few years, or the rest of your career,” in Adelaide or Perth. And suitable candidates are tempted to relocate to Oz with its “beautiful landscape, sea breezes and lifestyle”. The closing date for applicants to ASC’s jobs is June 24, with interviews held in July.

Australian's with relevant skills that are interested in employment in the Australian shipbuilding and support industry are advised that there is a section on employment on the ASC website.  Ex navy Technical sailors interested in a career in training can contact ASC's Contract Training Manager.

Grandma had been placed into a new nursing home.  The nurse wheeled Grandma out on the lawn, in her wheelchair, so that her family could visit her in the gardens. Grandma couldn't speak very well, but she could write notes when she needed to communicate. After a short time out on the lawn, Grandma started leaning off to the right, so one of the nurses came over, grabbed her, straightened her up, and stuffed pillows on her right.

A short time later, she started leaning off to her left, so again the nurse grabbed her and stuffed pillows on her left. Soon she started leaning forward, so the nurse again grabbed her, then tied a pillowcase around her waist to hold her up.

A grandson, who arrived to visit, came up to Grandma and said, "Hi, Grandma; you're looking good! How are they treating you?"

Grandma took out her little notepad and slowly wrote a note to the grandson...

"They won't let me fart ."

USS Michigan is back
The USS Michigan was welcomed back to duty today during a ceremony at Naval Base Kitsap in Silverdale that celebrated its conversion to a guided missile submarine after completing a $1 billion, nearly 3-year modification process at neighboring Puget Sound Naval Shipyard on the Kitsap Peninsula.

The Michigan, commissioned in 1982, is a Trident missile sub equipped to carry nuclear missiles is now capable of using conventional Tomahawk cruise missiles and supporting special operations forces.

Royal Navy launches first nuclear submarine in over a decade
Britain's Royal Navy's newest super-submarine, Astute, was launched last week by HRH Duchess of Cornwall at the BAE Systems shipyard in Barrow, Cumbria, in the United Kingdom. Astute is the first nuclear submarine to be launched in the UK for almost a decade. Built using the latest and most advanced naval engineering techniques, her construction has been described as more complex than that of the space shuttle.

Astute is the first of a class of hugely impressive vessels that will give the Royal Navy the world class capability it needs to protect the UK and her interests across the globe in the 21st century. Astute will be equipped with advanced cruise missiles and torpedoes that will provide her with more firepower than any previous British attack submarine. The submarine will enter service with the Royal Navy in 2009 and will be based in Scotland. She is expected to be a crucial part of the UK's naval defense forces for the next 25 years.

Far bigger and more potent than the current class of attack submarines, the Astute is 328 feet long and weighs 7400 tons. Because she will never need to be refueled, and due to her advanced on-board life support systems, the Astute will be able to circumnavigate the globe without needing to surface. Astute is the first vessel of four in the Astute class. The other three will be named the Ambush, the Artful and the Audacious.

Venezuelan submarine tender winner to be chosen soon, Russia says
Moscow - The winner of a tender to build new submarines for Venezuela will be announced by year's end and could come during a visit by Hugo Chavez to Russia later this month, Russian news agencies reported Thursday.

Russian shipbuilders have bid for the 600 million-dollar contract to supply Caracas with three high-tech submarines as Venezuelan leader Chavez looks to update his Caribbean nation's military might. 'A final decision on the winner of the (submarines) tender will be made by the end of the year,' a source said to be in Russia's military-industrial complex told Interfax.  The source, who was not identified, said Russia's bid could win the tender, with a contract to be signed during Chavez' visit to Moscow later this month.

Chavez has denied that a deal is imminent. Venezuela is looking to replace two German-built 209-class submarines as part of an attempt to update his energy-rich country's navy. A total of nine submarines and over 100 other naval ships are part of that programme.

South Korea launches another 1,800-ton submarine
South Korea unveiled its newest attack submarine, the second 1,800-ton vessel in its submarine fleet, this week.  The diesel-powered submarine, developed in partnership with Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft AG, is named Jeongji after a Korean military officer of the Goryeo Dynasty (918-1392) who led Korean forces in a series of victories against the Japanese navy.

“Jeongji's launch is another feat showing our will to maintain self-reliant defense and strengthen military capability,” Defense Minister Kim Jang-soo said in his congratulatory speech during a ceremony held at a shipyard of Hyundai Heavy Industries in Ulsan, about 400 kilometers southeast of Seoul.

The 65.3-meter-long, 6.3-meter-wide vessel can carry a crew of more than 40 and is equipped with torpedoes, mines, anti-warship guided missiles and the Air Independent Propulsion system, which is aimed at enhancing underwater operational capability.

Naval officials said the testing on Jeongji will continue until it is commissioned late next year. The South Korean Navy's only other 1,800-ton submarine was launched last June.  South Korea owns several rather outdated 1,300-ton diesel-electric submarines, also made by the German company.

The country plans to launch its third 1,800-ton submarine next year and also aims to develop nine 3,000-ton submarines from 2010 to 2021 with its own technology. The navy has yet to decide on their fuel system.

Falklands submarine Onyx is saluted in oils
Twenty five years after she was used to put hush hush troops ashore on the Falklands, the submarine Onyx has been saluted in oil paints by Barrow artist Tom Murphy.The Barrow Island artist was hired by businessman Joe Mullen who bought the submarine for the town a year ago from a failed museum in Birkenhead.

Mr Mullen asked him to paint it at war in the Falklands where it was used for the covert surveillance work along the coasts. Mr Murphy’s painting shows the submarine landing troops from the SAS and the Special Boat Squadron on a reconnaissance mission.

Because the sub’s missions were secret, Mr Murphy found it difficult to research the picture.  But some of the commando canoes used in the Falklands and the outer clothing used on such operations is still aboard the sub, and gave him a start.

He also sketched Onyx at its BAE berth in Buccleuch Dock.

Mr Murphy said: “Because she was the only conventional sub and is and a silent runner she did a lot of covert work for the SAS and SBS. “Joe Mullen asked me to do this painting showing her doing exactly that. The problem was that to get the information was almost impossible.”

He used photographs of the coast in the Falkland Sound area to paint a realistic location. The painting shows around a dozen shadowy figures going ashore. In the distance in the light of the setting sun can be seen HMS Invincible and two Harrier jets.

Prints of the painting are to be sold to raise money for the Onyx and the town’s Submarine Heritage Centre project.

Mr Mullen, who reportedly paid up to £100,000 to buy the sub for Barrow, wants to move it into the empty wet dock at the Dock Museum, although expensive alterations to the entrance would have to be made to get the 300ft long Onyx inside. Onyx was built in Birkenhead as one of the Oberon class. Similar boats were built at Barrow yard.

Incentive for Malaysian submarine crews
The government has approved special incentives of between RM600 and RM3,000 monthly for Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) personnel in submarine service.  The Submarine Service Incentive Payment would be backdated to Jan 1, 2005, Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak announced today.

He said the incentive would be paid from the start of training and based on their qualifications and expertise.  The RMN officers undergoing submarine training would receive RM800 while other ranks RM600 and having completed the training, the officers would receive RM1,400 while other ranks RM1,100.

When they reach the level of experts, their allowances will be raised to RM1,900 monthly for officers and RM1,500 for other ranks.  The submarine commanding officer would receive RM3,000.

He said that presently, 145 RMN personnel including 49 officers were being trained in France to enable them to operate submarines safely and effectively since 2005. The RMN is expected to take delivery their first of two Scorpene submarines in early 2009.

Navy faces the $10 billion question
The National Security Committee of Cabinet will soon make profound decisions about the size and shape of the Australian navy, with proposals to purchase three air warfare destroyers for between $6 billion and $8 billion and two large amphibious ships for about $2 billion. They will be the most important decisions about the future shape of the Australian navy since the Collins Class submarines 20 years ago.

The air warfare destroyers will be the most potent warships in our region and by far the most capable destroyers the navy has owned for more than 40 years. The amphibious ships will be the largest in Asia - larger than anything that China, Japan or India presently has. But there has been insufficient information in the public domain about the strategic justification for these warships.

The Howard Government's 2000 defence white paper said that Australia aimed to maintain a capable surface fleet able to operate in a wide range of circumstances throughout our maritime approaches and beyond. It stated Australia must be able to operate against capable regional navies and within range of hostile air forces. But it said little about amphibious forces, other than eventually planning to replace existing capabilities between 2010 and 2015.

The Defence Update 2005 of the former defence minister Robert Hill also left us little the wiser, except for asserting that the main role of the air warfare destroyers would be helping to protect the new amphibious ships.

This is clearly an important mission, not least because each of the amphibious ships will carry more than 1000 troops and amphibious operations are a potentially hazardous mission. But this must not become the sole operational purpose of these highly capable new destroyers. Leaving the navy with little, if any, independent strategic purpose other than transporting and protecting the army is strategically indefensible.

There are contingencies in our region where we may need to deploy an independent naval battle group, capable of projecting decisive force, over a significant period of time. That cannot be by strike aircraft or submarines alone. Surface warships are the only platform that has the full range of capabilities from peacetime operations through to high-intensity military conflict.

Having the best naval capabilities in our region is an important reflection of our national strength.

At present there are intense differences between the navy, which wants the more expensive of the destroyers under consideration because it has 64 vertical missile launch cells, and Defence's other top advisers, who consider that the 48 missile cells of the less expensive destroyer to be adequate for any credible regional contingency.

As well as being able to deliver continuous air and missile defence beyond the range of supporting land-based aircraft, the air warfare destroyers have the option of being equipped with the SM-3 missile which will provide protection against short and intermediate-range ballistic missile threats. It might also be worth equipping them with the Tomahawk land-attack cruise missile, which would give Australia a very long-range strike weapon.

These warships must be capable of defending our maritime approaches in a wide range of contingencies, projecting decisive military force in South-East Asia waterways, and operating closely beside our American ally. They will be in service for at least the next 20 or 30 years, when Australia is likely to see the development of major new strategic challenges and military modernisation programs in our region.

The public reasons for the new large amphibious ships are less apparent. There are clearly arguments in favour of having amphibious capabilities because of the nature of the archipelago and island chain to Australia's north and east. That argues for a capability to put Australian troops ashore and defend them. Having amphibious ships such as those proposed would have reduced the operational risk of the intervention in East Timor in 1999.

The concern, however, is that the strategic justification for these ships in the army's eyes is to create a mini version of the US Marines, subordinate to US war-fighting doctrine. Without US protection, it will take a large part of the naval and air resources of our small defence force to protect these amphibious ships in a hostile environment. Even in our own region, we probably need amphibious ships that are militarily robust and capable, given the potential hazards of over-the-beach landings.

The Government has said the new destroyers will be built in Australia. But it appears that the hulls of the amphibious ships, or parts of them, will be fabricated overseas. However, $10 billion wisely spent, particularly in the areas of combat systems integration and command-and-control, will have a significant effect on the sort of defence industry we need for the 21st century. It will also have an important multiplier effect in particular regions of Australia.

However, the Government needs to indicate whether there is a longer-term future for naval shipbuilding in this country, given that we need to consider whether we are going to build the next-generation submarines after the Collins and replacement frigates to the Anzacs.

Such long-term planning has been absent in the past. Important new guidelines were developed in the March 2007 Defence and Industry Policy Statement by the Defence Minister, Brendan Nelson, which proposes a strategic approach to identifying the priority areas of local industry capability. Defining whether there is a future for naval shipbuilding in Australia should be one of its first tests..

As well as being able to deliver continuous air and missile defence beyond the range of supporting land-based aircraft, the air warfare destroyers have the option of being equipped with the SM-3 missile which will provide protection against short and intermediate-range ballistic missile threats. It might also be worth equipping them with the Tomahawk land-attack cruise missile, which would give Australia a very long-range strike weapon.

Written by Emeritus Professor Paul Dibb, a former secretary-general of the Department of Defence.

New Submarine Rescue Vehicles Arrive
Britain, Norway and France have completed the construction of the NATO Submarine Rescue Vehicle (SRV). This $95 million project has produced a deep water rescue device that can be airlifted to anywhere in the world on short notice, fit on the deck of at least 140 identified ships, and mate with the escape hatches on most of the worlds submarines, and carry up to 72 men at a time to the surface.

The system is shipped in eleven waterproof cargo containers, that can be flown by military or civilian cargo aircraft. Including flight time, set up time on the ship, and movement time to the site of the distressed submarine, the NATO SRV should be able to get there and have the SRV in the water within 72 hours. The SRV itself is 31 feet long and weighs 27 tons, has a crew of three and can go as deep as 3,000 feet (which is the maximum depth for most submarines.)

The U.S. is building a similar system, providing two rescue systems to deal with any of the several hundred subs in service, getting in trouble. The NATO SRV will be based in Clyde, Scotland.

Design house looks at UUV-Submarine integration

At UDT Europe Naval ship BMT Defence Services recently revealed some of the engineering study work that it has been conducting to integrate UUV assets with conventional submarines (SSKs) and explained the process that the company has been going through and the conclusions it has drawn from its work.

Integrating UUVs with a submarine was an important capability because of the stealth aspect that submarines afford naval forces. For its study BMT chose to concentrate on Kongsberg Defence and Aerospace’s Hugin 1000 UUV because of its proven capability and the large amount of available date on the system.

Rather than looking at the relatively narrow market for large nuclear powered attack submarines (SSNs) BMT chose to concentrate on the SSK market, there are around 180 SSKs out there and another 40 or so being built.

During its technical studies BMT discounted a number of options, such as launch and recovery from an existing torpedo tube or new launch tube, because of the technical challenges. Instead the solution the company is touting at UDT Europe is a dedicated ‘wet’ dock aft of the submarines sail that would allow the UUV to dock, transfer data and recharge.

The company has already designed and delivered a dry dock for special forces operations aboard one of its SSNs to the UK MoD and this design is informing its work on some of the aspects of the ‘wet’ dock. A pressurised dry dock, which would allow direct access to the UUV, would not be suitable for an SSK because it would be too heavy for the smaller vessels.

BMT believes the ‘wet’ dock idea would be a good way to integrate UUVs with existing SSK fleets and sees a time when submarine designs would be developed to accommodate UUVs. ‘It will be like frigates that are now designed around operating helicopters.’ he concludes.

Come on Boof, time to replace the pavers.  Then we will go for a walk!
 

Sunday, 10th JUNE 2007

After a short but busy week I arrived in South Australia on Friday for SUBCON 2007, a great opportunity to catch up with the old and bold over a quiet beer or 10.  Unlike some, I had no trouble booking into my room, and had a suite on the 14th floor with a view of the River and convention centre. Unfortunately I could not go onto the balcony to see the sights, I have a fear of heights and get giddy looking down.  So I decided to get giddy in a more familiar manner, beer and more beer.

But first to register, so off to the hotel to let the world know that I had arrived only to find it full of sailors and their wives and partners.  One had to be sociable so a round or two of beer was had with ????.  The word got out that the blue pub a couple of doors up had colder beer at a cheaper price.  After getting knocked over in the stampede I brushed myself off and joined the exodus.  It is amazing how fast these guys are with their walking frames and sticks.

Changing pubs turned out to be a good move as the Sebel was full of mainly tiffies whereas the blue pub was bubbling with stokers and seaman types resulting in a much more intelligent level of conversation.  A large contingent of Queenslanders were also in attendance and joined me in an ale, after all I am soon to be a Queensland member. 

You may have gathered by my earlier remarks about walking frames. Yes, there was only a few of us youngsters there, the rest were old and grey and as hearing is a serious problem for aged submariners the volume of the conversations was deafening.  If it wasn't for their younger wives and partners looking after them things could have got out of hand. They made sure that they were all turned in for an afternoon nap before he 'Meet and Greet' later that night.

I had intended having a beauty rest before the Meet and Greet, but like a good lunch time session at Plats the time flew and I only had time to change before returning for round two.  This was back at the original pub and no one complained about the beer this time, it was free!  As good submariners do we attempted to consume (more than) our share very quickly in case they ran out.  They didn't, and there was soon a lively party in progress. Just like the old days I heard one drunk say, just before falling into a major sponsor's banner.  Again the wives and partner's attempted to take control of their loved ones, but when will they learn that it is impossible at SUBCON.

I took many photos and these will go online when I return to Perth.

Saturday morning was a surprise, on walking down the street I was impressed to see that there appeared to be little evidence of a night of drunkenness and debauchery?  In fact I was also in a remarkable state considering I normally drink very little, but to excess the previous night. Is SA beer weaker than the real stuff we get in WA?  There were many interesting tales of where people ended up (I think Association members now own 50% of the casino.  There was pressure applied by a certain small Chief Stoker for me to make an investment with him, but I declined. Smart move, I hear that he now owns two roulette wheels...........

One of he most interesting stories that I heard was of the member that was staying at my hotel. At about 0200 he decided hat a visit to the bathroom was needed.  He opened he door to what he thought was the bathroom only to discover he was standing in the passageway and yes, the door shut behind him.  He tried in vain to waken his good wife, but she could not be stirred.  Still in need of a toilet he caught the lift to the foyer and used the one there.  He then obtained another key from a bemused receptionist and returned to his room and bed. He suddenly had a thought, did he get the correct room number, was he in the right bed?  the room was in darkness and his concern deepened so he got up and went to the bathroom to gather his thoughts.  Much to his relief, his shaving gear was there. A big sigh of relief and back to bed, no one the wiser.  names will be published next week if a substantial bribe is not received by Friday.

The odd couple shared a room at the inn also, Graham Collins said it was hard trying to take charge of the oldest policeman in the RAN, Terry Rowell.  I think it may have been the other way around.

As the time approached for the pubs to open on Saturday morning I returned to the blue pub not expecting too many early starters.  Wrong, it looked as if the bunch I was with yesterday had not left (or sobered up) and we took up where we had left off.  It did not take long for the numbers to swell and it wasn't long before the party was in full swing again.  The Commodore aka Ric Shalders turned up and soon the bar was snorting at 63 feet.  The mullets and a certain CRS were in their glory and us technical types just carried on drinking and watched the poor souls. 

The morning session went fast and it was not long before people realised the afternoon session would soon need to end as it was approaching the time to change for the 'Grand Ball'.  It was now time for me to retire for the evening as I was not attending the ball, I am scared my pumpkin will turn into a prince. I grabbed a pizza and returned to my room.  I know it was pizza because there was a slice in my bed when I awoke this morning.  The rumours that I spent the night watching porn on the TV while having a spa bath are not true.

Sunday morning................ I awoke feeling a little fuzzy (keep your minds out of the gutter, I mean something like a hangover) so ran another spa and stayed there topping it up with hot water for about an hour.  I got out all wrinkly and feeling great.  On arriving at downstairs I was greeted with complaints from the others that they had not had any hot water for showers and all had to have a cold one.  Except for Goldie Horne, he went RN. A quick breakfast and the off to the AGM.

The AGM went off very smoothly and after a short discussion the main item on the agenda, the Constitution, was addressed.  it is great o say that the efforts of the National committee have born fruit and, with minor amendments, been accepted at he AGM.  Kim Pitt praised the efforts  of all that have worked hard to reach this important milestone.

The other important item on the agenda was the election of the National Executive.  The results are;

  • President: David Sandquest

  • Vice President: Max Hardy

  • Secretary: Peter Smith

  • Treasurer: John Rana

My weekend ended after the AGM, back to WA as Boof is complaining that the neighbours are feeding him tinned food and that they ate the rump that was left for him. 

If you have not been to a SUBCON I recommend that you do so, it is a great weekend and worth doing.  The ability to say 'g'day to old mates is medically beneficial. 

In some ways this has been a hard year and there has been some friction behind the scenes, but as I have quoted recently, we are all Buddies in boats and Buddies are like bum cheeks.  Crap might separate them,  but they always come back together.  This was definitely true this weekend.

My apologies for the short entry, I am in the Flight Deck lounge and I have a choice, free piss or the Log........ Gin and tonic please mate!

WA Member (LEUT) Matt Young was doing his annual RAN fitness test on Friday (he is doing reserve time at the sub school) when he suffered two heart attacks. Prompt action by PT and Medical staff restarted the donks and he was rushed to Rockingham hospital and later transferred to Fremantle where he underwent an emergency engine rebuild. He is recovering from major surgery but reports today are that he is improving and is feeling much better. Earla, a true submariner's wife, when informed responded "I suppose this means he failed his fitness test. We will inform you of Matt's progress as it comes to hand.

Dave Luck has reported that Gerald Degen, a Dutch ex submariner, and a member of the Association, is back home after a spell in Bega Hospital following a knee reconstruction.  After recuperation he goes back to get the other one fixed. Dave said "I'm not sure if the Doctor let him go or the Nurses got rid of him. !!!!!!!!"

Buster Keating has reported that Derick Ramsdale (1950's RN 'T' class sailor) is really 'crook' and is in intensive care in Fremantle Hospital and his sister Alice is out from the UK to see him.

Peter Vidler is having another round of radiation treatment on his bone cancer and then they will work again on the prostrate cancer when that is finished. Peter is putting up a terrific fight to overcome his problems and we all offer him our best wishes and prayers during these difficult times.

I hear all to often lately that it is not only the guys that are having major health issues, the number of wives that are having health issues is a concern.  It may seem that we forget them, but we don't.  Our love and best wishes to all that are going through a rough patch at the moment.

OBITUARY
It is with regret that I announce the death in Victoria on 29 May 2007 of John Edward Tait after a long battle with cancer.  

John’s career in submarines started in the Reserve Group ‘S’ at HMS Dolphin in November 1950 to January 1951. In August 1951, John joined his first submarine HMS Trenchant; he left the boat in July 1953.

John returned to Dolphin and in January 1954 joined HMS/m Anchorite which operated out of Dolphin, his time in the boat lasted until December of the same year where he returned inboard and was posted for three months in January 1955 to serve in HMS/m Aurochs operating out of Dolphin. Aurochs was then moved to operate with the depot ship HMS Adamant where John served until July 1955.  This was the last time that John served in boats. John left the Royal Navy as a Leading Mechanic (E) and eventually migrated to Australia. John joined the Victorian Branch of the Association in October 1992.                  (Peter Smith)

 

Sunday, 3rd JUNE 2007

It has been a busy week for me, both at work and home.  I was silly enough to change the tap handles in the laundry to smarten it up a bit for the sale.  Stupid move, I should have remembered how much this little exercise cost me when I tried this in the en suite!  I spent all day changing the whole box and dice and then decided a paint job would be a good idea.  I hate painting!!!!  I hope I get an offer soon.

The migration to South Australia for SUBCON has started and the old town is getting ready for the influx.  I arrive Thursday and I am looking forward to meeting some old mates again.  SUBCON is something that we all look forward too and it is on the calendar of many members that turn up each year, and the numbers are swelling.

Last week I posted nominations for the National Executive and have had several requests for more information on the candidates. I have indicated their Branch today, but I have not obtained additional information. 

  • President: David Sandquest (NSW) and John Head (QLD Sth)

  • Vice President: Max Hardy (NSW), John O’Brien (QLD Sth) and Lloyd Blake (WA) 

  • Secretary: Peter Smith (NSW) and Noel Robinson (WA)

  • Treasurer: John Rana (WA) and Robert Wilson (QLD Sth)

I have decided to change the web host for the SAA website (submarinesaustralia.com) and it will move over as soon as I register the domain name for 2007/8.  There may be a bit of disruption while I relocate so please be patient (I seem to be asking that a lot lately).  I am not sure whether I will be asked to continue to be the SAA Web Manager, we will know after the AGM next week.

Around the Traps

Peter 'Arab' Clark is recuperating from his prostate surgery and has even started to spend some time at work (which is all he did before his surgery).  However, he had  a slight setback, he thought he was superman and overextended himself.  He reports "Hi Norm, Possibly a good time to pass on an update on my medical state (not mental). Am now back at work doing short days and coming home knackered, I think I have control over my medication and I'm confirmed cancer free. Unfortunately, in my rush to get fit, I found the tread mill boring and snuck of to the park to do some real stuff, whilst doing some practice bowling in the nets I decided Dennis Lillee was a wooze and fairly hurled one down, unfortunately, legs send memo to brain saying 'nil stock global' and tagged themselves out, this resulted in my good lookin' sweed endeavouring to crack the concrete pitch, and clean up the nets fencing, final result, nil stock bark on stbd side of face, little bark left on hands and arms, massive bruising to arms and no sympathy from Julie. So, back to St John of God for a day for scans etc, finally got home to very little sympathy but now is all good, I've restrained my fitness program and I'm on the mend. A quick note to thank ASC for all the support they have given me over the last four months, you may bag the Employer but it's reassuring to see them be so supportive." Maybe Peter should use Warnie as his cricketing hero, all you have to be able to do is send an SMS.

I hear that the Submarines Association (Australian Branch) Secretary Mike Pearson had surgery recently and hasn't been feeling to good, but in good spirits and is pretty chirpy at present but has a rough passage ahead of him.  Mike recently attended the US Submariners Memorial Service at Albany and is pictured here with WA SAA VP Lloyd Blake.  Despite the cold weather and rain the Service was very successful.

Lloyd said "Visitors and locals made up an attendance of about 140 people. Ranks of the US WWII Subvets are thin with only three in attendance, Kath Pouleris looking fitter than ever.

SAA WA was represented by Ian Johnson who drove down from Geraldton, Fred Lawrence and myself. Amongst the VIPs were CDRE & Mrs Ric Shalders, CMDR & Mrs Steve Mack USN, Bill Gaynor President RSL WA Branch along with the RSL State Secretary and Treasurer. The RN Submariners were represented by President Alan Jameson, Mike Pearson and three members. Albany RSL, Naval Association, Naval Cadet Corp and local Lions Club were all out in strength. Mike Pearson was MC." 
Lloyd's trip to Europe has seen a nuance of French chic' appear in his wardrobe, I thought it was Inspector Closeau at first glance. 

Victorian Branch News
Just a friendly reminder to one and all, the Victoria Branch annual Christmas raffle ($10 for 5 tickets) is still running and will continue until the Christmas Lunch. This is the Victorian branch's only way of raising funds and is the only time we ask to 'dip your hand in your pocket' to support us. If you have not already done so, it would be appreciated if you could purchase your tickets by forwarding cheque to The Treasurer, PO Box 104, Bentleigh 3204 stating your name and what the cheque is for - and you have put yourself into our annual Christmas raffle (one last year by yours truly!) - a very admirable painting by Dacre Smyth which now hangs proudly on my wall ! So, please find the time to help us to help you. Your Honorary Secretary. Keith 'Boot' Hatfield.

Aging wife looking in mirror: My God look at me, my tits are sagging , my arse is huge, please love cheer me up with a compliment.  Well darling, your eyesight is spot on.!!!!!!!!!

I was pleased to see that Serving Australian Defence Force Cadet Officers and Instructors will be further recognised for their contribution to developing young Australians with the new Cadet Certificates of Service award to be introduced from late 2007. We have quite a few submariners that give up a lot of their time for the cadets, particularly in Queensland, and at last they may be recognised.  The certificates will be awarded to Officers and Instructors engaged under the Cadet Forces Regulations for five and ten years of service.  Cadet staff are currently recognised for their long-term contribution through the Australian Cadet Forces Service Medal for 15 years service and the Clasps to the medal for each additional five years service.  This new certificate rewards cadet staff who have made a significant contribution over the shorter term, by recognising their continuing commitment and hard work in support of Australian youth.  The first certificates will be ready for presentation in late 2007.

Queensland member Robert 'Tug' Wilson sent me some photos sent of a yank C130 that landed on a runway that was under repair, unfortunately no-one told the pilots. Some explaining to be done, the plane was slightly damaged.  Tug's No.1 son is in Iraq on his second tour on C130s and says "It's a bit of a worry eh?"  I am not sure whether the yanks are the worry or Tug's youngun?

Lost, Missing or Strayed.
The following are members who have their correspondence returned as address unknown. If any member knows of the whereabouts of the following members could they please contact Peter Smith by email, fax 02 95571480 or snail mail: 98 Yelverton Street, Sydenham, NSW 2044

RP Mahoney, RB Denning, LCDR CW Maslen RAN, RF Faramus, J Harris, CMDR PSND Chatterton RAN, R Weaver, M L Muir, H James.

While on the subject of lost, John Hogg asks; "Norm, still looking for: Turner R.J. R106607 Raymond LSUCSM DEE: 06-Jun-77. I know he was a Bundaberg QLD entry but there are heaps of his initials in the White Pages for the state. Request a small entry in your website again."  Can anyone help John?

It is good to see that the request to find a mate works occasionally. Tex Golding asked "Norm,
Looking for an ex RN/RAN Coxswain, Phil Thompson. After he transferred to the RAN, he was drafted back to the UK on loan to SETT. While there in 1993 he became the first Secretary of the Submarine Coxswains Association, a job he carried out until he returned to the RAN at HMAS Sterling in the tank staff there. A while later he was discharged and the E-mail address I was using has been out of use for some time.  When he left the UK he was made a Life Member of the Coxswains Assn. So there was no need for him to pay any subs, which meant losing touch with him has not been as a high priority as it should have been. I would like to contact him if at all possible."
  I was pleased to be able to get them together, but then realised that I was actually helping Coxswains!  I needed a beer to get the bad taste out of my mouth.

It looks like the optimism over locating AE1 which disappeared while on patrol in 1914 with 35 officers and sailors on board was shattered this week. The Australian Defence Force (ADF) says an object found on the ocean floor off Papua New Guinea is not the wreck of a World War I Australian submarine. In February, a Navy search found what was thought to be a large manmade object, but more detailed checks have revealed it is a submarine-shaped rock
formation.

Sandy Hi Rob the SAP writes "Scanning through Chief's Log and saw the request from William van Leewen about drawings for J Class. Has he tried the sub museum in DOLPHIN (is it still there)? I managed to pick up dockyard drawings of S, T, M and a series of K Classes - but that was in '69. I believe the hull configuration of the K is similar to the J (with a couple of cut-out bits). Can you follow this highly technical shipwright terminology ? Like the K Class, the J's superstructures were built however that particular dockyard thought looked good. There were about three different configurations for the one class.

As for the reason women can't serve in RN boats - of course they (the female of the species) breathe more air - look at the size of their lungs for a start.

Must go and do some more cartoons for the ADC. Since I left and the RAN de-sexed the women, the uniforms have no bearing on what they wore when I was in the Mob. Officers now have so many badges hanging off them on all sides of the uniform. To think that the Dolphins and the Birdies were the only specialist badges once. The Army is just as bad and the RAAF look as if they put on a blue shirt and forgot to put on a tie. I am learning quite a lot. To think that I once thought that 'apostrophes' once hung around with Jesus." 
Remember, Sandy has a range of products can be seen online.

Bob McGuigan has been deep and quiet for a while but has finally surfaced, seems that computer rebuilds kept him down. "Bloody computers, this old thing is so slow snail-mail gets there faster. Finally got it the install finished, it only took me 2 hours to change all the mail settings etc over with each page taking about 5 minutes to load. I've had enough!!!!! and will now have a quiet coldy and go to bed.  Was going to set up my laptop with this modem as well but after setting this one up I will have to have a good run-up before I get to this one, otherwise I may throw something at the wall."

UK visitor to the Log, Patricia McGeever writes "As a young girl of twelve my parents and I used to visit the submarine base at HMAS Penguin, Balmoral, on a regular basis. They used to visit the CPO's mess and have a few drinks with friends who were submariners there. I have fond memories of being able to swim in the pool and go aboard the Talemachus for a grand tour, I loved it."  

Patricia went on to say "I was a bridesmaid for CPO Tom McNab (McNabb) and his wife Joan in the 1950's. My parents were also friends with PO. Charles Hyde and his wife Eleanor. I attended the children's Christmas party on two or three occasions and have had many barbecues with their Naval friends, on Balmoral Beach. We returned to the UK in 1963 and unfortunately my parents have since passed away and I cannot remember the names of the other friends.
Today my husband and I visited HMS Dolphin museum at Gosport and had a wonderful time and came away with lots of memorabilia from the shop.  Unfortunately I didn't get to see a photo of the Talemachus, it would have brought back so many memories. I have just had to write and tell you of my experiences at Balmoral Naval Depot. 
If anyone would like to contact Patricia, just let me know.

Graham Morrit reports "An old RN mate in the UK sent me this link for a medal which the Malaysian government wants to present to people who served in the Far East in the Malayan Campaigns & Confrontation in the early sixties. I was on Duchess (HMS) at the time so shall put in for it. There may be some members who also served up there at the time.  Also the site says there is an RN vets badge available to all RN persons serving before 1984. May be of interest to ex-RN members.  By the way my old RN mate (ex-C/tiff and now a civvy Engineer at Barrow UK) is about to launch (roll-out) a new nuke boat HMS Astute in the next week or so. I served on the old Astute for 18 months, wish I was there."

Yes Graham, in January 2005 the Government of Malaysia made an offer to confer a special medal of service to eligible current and former Australian Servicemen and women in appreciation of their service in Malaysia with the Commonwealth Far East Strategic Reserve from Independence to the end of Confrontation over the period 31 August 1957 to 31 December 1966. The Australian Government has developed the eligibility provisions to accord with the criteria for the medal as set out by the Malaysian Government. Details at the Defence Personnel portal

Australian Service Medal (ASM) with Clasp
The Australian Service Medal (ASM) with Clasp SPECIAL OPS was awarded to naval personnel who had been aboard submarines, on trips as specified by CDF. It has come to our attention that there are still a number of ex-submariners from the RAN who haven’t applied for their ASM with Clasp SPECIAL OPS. Brett Hinton discovered his eligibility by visiting the Veteran's Affairs page and said "Followed your link in one of the Chief's Logs and applied for my medal on the 10th May 2007. It arrived 21 May 2007. Could you please list the names more openly in the log and advise those eligible to go to Department of Defence website and a do site search for from AC 694, fill it in and fax it to Directorate of Honours and Awards - 02 6266 1065."  Are you entitled?

Dave 'Pee Wee' Petherick writes "Good to read the log today, nothing else to do as it has been raining all day again. Not much news, except that I was talking to 'Skull' Bowden , an ex CD from the Gold Coast, who is going in for the third time to get his hip replaced. He goes in today for his op tomorrow, and was saying he has some form of cancer in his bones, caused by diving. He was an ex JR, 1963, some of the boys might remember him. I was driving down the Bruce Highway last week, and was passed by a 4x4 with a caravan on, and there were a set of dolphins on the back window, but I couldn't get the truck to go as fast to catch up with it, so I don't know who it was. Probably more immigrants !!!!!!! Most likely the Mexicans coming up for the winter. Don't blame them. Do you have any big dolphin stickers for trucks?" Yes mate, the 'grey nomads' can be a problem, this photo proves that they should not be allowed to tow a caravan! It was probably one of the Queensland mob heading to SA for SUBCON. 

THINGS THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO SAY WHEN YOU'RE DRUNK:
1. Innovative
2. Preliminary
3. Proliferation
4. Cinnamon


THINGS THAT ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY WHEN YOU'RE DRUNK:
1. Specificity
2. Anti-constitutionalistically
3. Passive-aggressive disorder
4. Transubstantiate

THINGS THAT ARE DOWNRIGHT IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY WHEN YOU'RE DRUNK:
1. Thanks, but I don't want to have sex.
2. Nope, no more booze for me!
3. Sorry, but you're not really my type.
4. MacDonald's? No thanks, I'm not hungry.
5. Good evening, officer. Isn't it lovely out tonight?
6. Oh, I couldn't! No one wants to hear me sing karaoke.
7. I'm not interested in fighting you.
8. Thank you, but I won't make any attempt to dance, I have no coordination. I'd hate to look like a fool!
9. Where is the nearest bathroom? I refuse to pee in this parking lot or on the side of the road.
10. I must be going home now as I have to work in the morning.


WA member Neil Forbes wrote "I was over in New Zealand for most of April and the first couple of weeks of May enjoying myself trekking and what not all over the south island. On Anzac day I was in Queenstown and, as there was no dawn service, I went down to the muster point for the march with the view to watch the march and attend the service afterwards. But this is not how it turned out.

On arrival at the assembly point I came across an Australian women (and here I do blame Alzheimer's for not remembering her name) with a small professionally made banner with Australian blazoned across it along with her fathers name, rank, serial number and battalion from WWII listed. On making myself known to her she indicated that she had lived in Queenstown for the past few years and marched for every one of those years with her banner, wearing her Dad's medals. Usually she marched alone following directly behind the single, multi service formation of NZ veterans.

She invited me to join her "formation" and I willingly did so. We were subsequently joined by two other Australian ex servicemen forming a contingent of 4, along with the lady's daughter and young grandson, who proudly carried a small banner of his own.  During the march we were given a very warm welcome by the Kiwi's lining the street.

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The march terminated at a Memorial Hall where the service was to be held. On this particular Anzac Day the Queenstown Anzac Day service was honoured with the presence of John Campbell, the President of the New Zealand Returned and Services Association.

A very moving service was held where I was struck by the similarities of the views on what Anzac day is about and the lessons we need to take from the sacrifices of those who have paid the ultimate price.

The other thing that struck me was the number of references to the origin of the word Anzac, jokingly referred to as "Another NZ Army Core". There were in fact many references to the strong bonds that tie together NZ and Australia, formed in the horror of war, that continue to this day. Australia was mentioned numerous times with our national flag prominent of the dais beside the NZ flag. This impression of united nations was reinforced when, to my surprise I found that our national anthem was to be sung as part of the service. In fact it was sung loudly and strongly by the congregation, with little difference in zeal between that and New Zealand's own anthem.

I did find myself at the end of the day wondering if we Australians, at this time, acknowledge as strongly the ally that participated in the events that led to the formation of two nation's national identities to the same degree. Ultimately I am sure we do but it was very moving to see how these events are interpreted and remembered by our neighbour and ally on "their" Anzac Day."

Dave Luck sent this photo of the first intake of Mobi's - for a larger copy follow this link.  Is the fifth from the end in the first row of MOBI's Prince William?